Just how are you a victim? You admit not knowing where your mother was for 23 years yet claim a monetary award from the pocket of the general population is warranted because you are a victim? Your sense of entitlement is quite disturbing.
Robert Pickton's victims' families to get $50K each
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Just how are you a victim? You admit not knowing where your mother was for 23 years yet claim a monetary award from the pocket of the general population is warranted because you are a victim? Your sense of entitlement is quite disturbing.
Actually, being that I was 4 years old and can remember the last thing she told me before she went missing, you best believe I stopped every woman I ever saw on the streets, malls or parks who had the same color skin as me. And i did actually ask them if a) they were my mommy or b) they knew where I could find her. My foster family and later, my grandparents could vouch for that one. Oh, and so did my grandparents as well. I stopped questioning when cops came to collect DNA.
Oh, and the blood money? Suprisingly, I've got plans for it considering I had a couple people call me to tell me that it was coming my way and I had to read around on the news and verify if it was true. That is how far I pushed myself away from this case for so long. There was nothing I could do all my life. By the time I had become an adult, all I was told is her body was probably fed to pigs. So yes, I will accept what's given and be darn glad to do so for today. Thanks.
Let me break it down for you. 4 yrs old. Mom missing. 17 yrs old told she's not missing she's actually dead. 20-21 yrs old- case starts ( I just happened to be in post sec for journalism broadcasting the case daily until I had a mental breakdown)
22- 27 tried to put case, everything behind me and live as best life possible with my child.
My mom was killed. Who lived life without her? My sibling and I. We dont have to act like a victim all our lives to actually be one.
Well good to know you think growing up in foster care (probably with a family much more decent than what you would have got with your biological parents) makes you a victim. Maybe we should start giving all foster kids $50 grand. Just raise taxes accordingly and pay em all. Then there are those from single parent families...they must be victims too so we should give them $50k too.
You have the usual "I'm all butthurt so pay me" mentality that has been ruining our society. It has become where people think any thing that goes wrong in life should come with a cash award. News flash for ya....lots of people deal with death of family every day and a lot do not look to the govt for a paycheck because of it. I think when you grow up and get past the issue that your mom abandoned you it will become clear this payout is wrong. Until you reach that level of maturity and intelligence enjoy all you get with the money because one day it will all be a sad reminder of mistakes you made.
analyticalthink, sorry your mum died in such a horrendous way, I hope you find/have found the love and support you need to heal. I hope life continues to improve for you.
Anther screaming example of you not knowing what you are talking about. Growing up in foster care is far from roses and lollipops.
Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it is far better than what could have been. This person seems to have done quite well. Went to university, has a job. Would appear she got a better life than would have been provided by her mother. That isn't always the case with foster care but that does not to seem to be the case here.
Again, you have no idea. You have no idea what she went through after her mother went missing and you have no idea what her mothers life was like to put her in the position she was in. Another example of you blaming the victim and rationalizing the perps behaviour.
You have no idea. I do not rationalize the perp at all. I vote for the death penalty for him without blinking an eye.
I have no clue what put the mother on the street but I am sure it was down to choices and decision made by the lady herself somewhere along the line.
I do not blame the mother for getting murdered and I do not blame our new member for her mother's actions, choices or demise. Where I can point a finger though is that no amount of money will take away her emotions or bring her mother back and remind her that the money is not coming from the perpetrator of the crime but from every honest taxpayer who had nothing to do with this case at all.
I am tired of the 'somebody has to pay me' mentality that is so prevalent in society today. There is no personal responsibility for one's own choices and actions and no acceptance that sometimes bad things happen to good people for no good reason and it has become an age where everybody looks at an accident or traumatic event not as a horrible time that eventually builds character but as a lottery windfall.
I actually agree with a lot of what you say, Nick. To start with I'm sure there are both good and bad foster parents and every step in between just as with natural parents. By the same token there are kids who respond with the full spectrum of behaviour. We are getting to be a very litigious society. Let's face it, virtually every of us has at some point harmed someone else, even if it's only in causing disappointment or hurt feelings. I can see suing where there has been criminal negligence or intent, but you don't do it for spilling coffee on someone's jacket. Some of the worst offenders are those scream the loudest and make the biggest scene about any perceived wrong, and you can pretty well bet your bottom dollar they too would be screaming just as loud should the tables be turned. Another thing to consider is what percentage of cases would money put things right. My guess is less than one.
Doesn't the police chief report to the Mayor? Ultimately the elected officials run it as CEO.
I think of it as a corporation. We employ the people in that corporation to do their best to protect Canadians. Our representatives failed in miserably at warning the public that they had a serial killer in the region. As a result of that failure people died unnecessarily, That makes us liable. Cut the litigants a cheque and let's take that necessary steps to make sure that this sort of foul up does not happen again.
The burning question is at what point was it ascertained the perpetrator was a single person. Even when they started digging up the farm, I don't think it was even confirmed at that point it was a single perpetrator. As a matter of fact I'm sure with some of the victims, they weren't even confirmed as being dead until the D.N.A. was uncovered. I think the prevailing attitude was the sh*ts, but you have to ask yourself the question would you be as concerned as you would if the victim was Princess Kate?
First of all there should have been a trial so each of these women had justice
that didn't happen so they paid compensation. A lot cheaper to do that than a
trial.
What kind of bull is this about crack *****s or prostitutes of any kind. After all
there wouldn't be any if it weren't for jerks with money to spend on them.
Should be deny justice or benefits to the Johns too? May the rich Johns should
be denied medical service even if they could pay for it. Of course that is nonsense
also and we have to understand all citizens deserve justice regardless of who they
are.
I am not big on conspiracy theories except to say Robert Pickton didn't act alone.
There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. We have the farm the place called
Piggies Palace at the far end of the property and the people who frequented it
Somehow that always is skimmed over but everyone knows about it in one form or
another This payment is not so much about justice as it is about concealing the
truth.
that didn't happen so they paid compensation. A lot cheaper to do that than a
trial.
What kind of bull is this about crack *****s or prostitutes of any kind. After all
there wouldn't be any if it weren't for jerks with money to spend on them.
Should be deny justice or benefits to the Johns too? May the rich Johns should
be denied medical service even if they could pay for it. Of course that is nonsense
also and we have to understand all citizens deserve justice regardless of who they
are.
I am not big on conspiracy theories except to say Robert Pickton didn't act alone.
There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. We have the farm the place called
Piggies Palace at the far end of the property and the people who frequented it
Somehow that always is skimmed over but everyone knows about it in one form or
another This payment is not so much about justice as it is about concealing the
truth.
Justice is supposed to be blind. Whether its a rich person or poor, working citizen or crack addict, we live in a Country where we are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. Pickton could have been taken down a lot sooner and lives could have been saved. What demographic of society his victims came from should have no bearing on the culpability of the police. The families of these victims never got their day in court, their closure, 50 Grand is very little cost to us compared to the horrible atrocity perpetrated on these families. I hope that the police agencies use this as tool to better conduct themselves on future cases. Time will tell.
Which raises another interesting point. But we don't have capital punishment, if we did have it Pickton could be sentenced to death unless he starts spitting out names, but of course most of them might only be very minor and possibly even unwitting accomplices, not to mention innocent names he might throw in, and the trial would probably cover 50 years instead of 10. I think we got the main man and I believe being only convicted of 6 cases, still brings a form of justice to the other victims as had he been convicted of all 49 victims, I doubt if the sentence would have been more severe.
Justice is blind. Had there been a trial he would have been convicted and sentenced as a murderer. How do you know he would have been caught any sooner? You are just making wild assumptions. It isn't the fact they were prostitutes that made police not invest millions in resources to find a killer, it is the fact that there is an inherent proclivity of these people to evade being found or identified most of the time. Were some assumptions made that some victims had just moved on to a different city? Sure, but that is not out of line with the norm for people in their situation. Hindsight may be 20/20 but at the time the police, as usual, had to direct what limited resources they had to where they could do the most good and chasing down a missing hooker only to find her in Victoria or Calgary after spending a hundred grand and hundreds of hours of manpower would have brought the wrath of the public. We are not talking about a case where 10 women went missing in a week here either. These events wee so spread out it would be hard to justify placing them all together at the hands of a lone serial killer in the first place.
You seem to forget it is not the victims of crime or their families entitled to a day in court but the accused. Nobody who is a victim of any crime has some guaranteed right to closure or to witness a trial. That may be your moral viewpoint but it is not the law. They also don't get do not get to claim a lottery win because crime affected their family in a negative manner. My shed was broken into and the cops came and took fingerprints and told me flat-out that if they could match the prints there was really nothing they could do so should I be entitled to $50k because they didn't invest resources scouring the country for the thief?
This case is terrible. Pickton should have got a firing squad or hanging. Unfortunately it involved people on the fringe of society and the law who have a habit of disappearing for long periods for no good reason. If the cops spent time and money looking for every prostitute who went missing they wouldn't have time for anything else and you would feel a lot different about that situation.
As I said at the start of this thread it is a terrible precedent to set giving families money because crime affected them in some way. It shouldn't happen and we should accept it and people who support it are using their emotions instead of their brains.
Why? We didn't do anything. I am tired of being responsible for other people's mistakes and tired of people thinking any bad event in their life should come with a cash award. Get over it! Bad sh*t happens sometimes! That doesn't entitle you to come with hat in hand looking for a gravy train.