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Robert Pickton's victims' families to get $50K each
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I agree with you whole heartedly Nick, but there's one glaring problem. That report is about as official as my grocery list. I suppose the Chief might be faulted, but is he deserving of all the blame? I doubt it. Are there other members of the force guilty of the blame, probably, but try getting names to them and if you do that you have to get ALL of them. It ain't going to fly, Nick. Once you fire, how are they going to be replaced with others we know to be better. We have a big f**kin' can with some big f**kin' worms.
20 cents isn't a problem, it's just the start of a problem!
A someone said earlier they still have 42 untried cases which would cost a gazillion bucks. For a rather small expense it's best to put some money in the pockets of the victims than a King's ransom in the hands of lawyers. This is saving Nick a ton of money to donate without a charitable receipt.
Another very interesting angle! For all we know perhaps lawyers should bear some of the blame for Pickton's late detection! Just a possibility............not sure exactly how!
no it isn't, the problem was/is the girls were throw-aways and the case was mishandled from the beginning...that is the problem
I would hope that today it would be handled in a different manner. However quibbling about .20 and making huge leaps about where this will lead instead of looking at the actual facts of this case and the ethical need to respond in some pathetically trivial manner makes me doubt it.
We probably going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Sal .............you make good points and Nick makes good points- I have absolutely nothing against helping out the families of the victims, with one exception, what you have to do for them you have to do for others, well maybe you don't have to but there is still a danger of a precedent getting started and it won't be long before the 20 centses runs out!
I would rather give $200 to a program for retraining police to 'serve & protect' properly according to the constitution than 20 cents to the family of a murder victim. It is far too slippery a slope to begin paying families of victims of crime. It starts with this case, then Olsen's victim's families come forward, then anyone who has lost anyone to a crime, then those that were assaulted but survived, then victims of petty crime. It becomes never-ending. Everyone lines up with their hand out and you cannot say yes to one and no to others.
This isn't about compensation FOR the crime. This is about compensation for the State fu cking up. Similar to the compensation Milgaard received for the State screwing up and him being wrongly convicted.
You've said it beautifully Nick, I'm at a loss to see how anyone could argue with that!
You make a good point too, Gerry.
It is still a bad precedent. Crimes are investigated by police, police are humans, humans make mistakes. If we start paying people because a human made a mistake it will never end. Even if it for mistakes made I would once again rather give $200 for retraining or ongoing training than 20 cents to the family. Paying the family doesn't make the problem go away it just makes the family go away. If the families had any integrity at all they would tell the govt to shove the money up their a$$ and demand the problem be addressed. Instead they take the money and leave the police in the exact same state to make more mistakes.
BTW, Milgaard was a totally different can of worms. He was convicted upon the evidence available at the time and spent years in prison. He was compensated not for any mistakes at trial but for the time he spent in jail.
I imagine you can, given how wide open your mind always is. You can get a point across, Gerry, without having to jump on a guy and beat him into the ground. My "limited intellectual capacity" just slightly eclipses yours. -
I watched a documentary on Milgaard, he was actually convicted because of an ignorant fu*King judge. At the exact time the girl was murdered and some blocks away Milgaard was at a grocery store when the proprietor opened first thing in the morning looking to buy cigarettes (hence there was absolutely no doubt about the time and the place) The judge for some reason dismissed the proprietor as a valid witness. Of course if justice was to be truly served the judge would have ended up paying Milgaard the $million.
There is no program for retraining police to serve and protect properly.
Fear should not prevent a society from doing the right thing. Each case must be judged on the facts and the facts alone. The facts here in a 1,500 page report show that the police force messed up. They messed up so badly that even after they knew they had messed up the women continued to disappear and no new approach was taken. Emotion should be saved and given to the families' victims not used to project what may happen if we respond in such a way. It is a slippery slope argument and as such it is invalid, nothing in fact can be predicted from this money being given out.
That is why I would gladly give money for such a program to be put in place.
The right thing would be for those responsible to be sued as individuals by anyone with a case that wanted to go after cash. They should also lose their jobs and their pensions etc. It is far from right to have people who had nothing to do with the case to pay anything. You may try to justify all you like in as many ways as you want but in the end you have a couple of million people paying the bill for things done by a few who were not punished in any way other than chipping in their 20 cents. I happen to think that is a complete perversion of justice and sets a terrible precedent. What reason are any cops given to do things properly by this deal? Why would they care at all about any case in the future if they now know they will not be held accountable and can force the general population to pay the blood-money for them to get away with it.
Fine. Both the Vancouver PD and the RCMP are private entities contracted to various govts. So the govt is not responsible, the private contractor is. They can either pony up the dough out of their own budget or hand over those responsible to be dealt with as individuals.
Also, the employer is released from liability for negligence if they have provided proper training, equipment and staff.
In the end it comes down to those who were responsible for whatever f*ck-up happened get away scott free and those who had nothing to do with anything pay the price. Just tell me how that is right or it is justice in any way, shape or form.
actually, it was a problem with the VPD, RCMP, and Crown counsel. That is why the 3 levels of Government are having to pony up.
Obviously that is not the case here as you have already stated that you would be willing to pay for proper training. This implies that their training was not adequate.
Those who hold ultimate responsibility are paying the tab. You, are just unwilling to take responsibility for your place in the hierarchy. No different than your whining about First Nations.
I said retraining to serve and protect under the constitution. By that I meant to act as peace officers, not as armed collection agents for the corporation. Sorry if you misunderstood that or do not know the difference.
Either way you put it, you feel they are not trained properly which shoots down your own argument with your own words.
Thank you. It has been rough but Luckily I think one of the things that has really brought me where I am today is the fact that I have been able to remember all the good things that have happened in my life in spite of the horrid and I have been able to (I believe by the grace of God) make choices that put me places that help me. All that said, the way I emotionally and mentally handle the case and life because of it is what I really am working on and that is quite hard. And when I now read child services and police reports of our demeanor and actions as children I can say that it is nothing short of a miracle how we (my brother and I) think today. Thank you for your well wishes.
Where did you get from me, who responded to you the "somebody has to pay me" attitude? All you have been doing is denying that I am a victim of what happened. I think you should re-read our whole conversation. And then maybe think about what you have said. You are complaing for tax dollars. And you literally disregard everything I have explained about life as a "cry for money". Sometimes I wish people like you would have lived in the exact situation just to feel the gravity of what life has been like here before you complain.And especially complain the way you do as well.