Robert Pickton's victims' families to get $50K each

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Justice is blind. Had there been a trial he would have been convicted and sentenced as a murderer. How do you know he would have been caught any sooner? You are just making wild assumptions. It isn't the fact they were prostitutes that made police not invest millions in resources to find a killer, it is the fact that there is an inherent proclivity of these people to evade being found or identified most of the time. Were some assumptions made that some victims had just moved on to a different city? Sure, but that is not out of line with the norm for people in their situation. Hindsight may be 20/20 but at the time the police, as usual, had to direct what limited resources they had to where they could do the most good and chasing down a missing hooker only to find her in Victoria or Calgary after spending a hundred grand and hundreds of hours of manpower would have brought the wrath of the public. We are not talking about a case where 10 women went missing in a week here either. These events wee so spread out it would be hard to justify placing them all together at the hands of a lone serial killer in the first place.

You seem to forget it is not the victims of crime or their families entitled to a day in court but the accused. Nobody who is a victim of any crime has some guaranteed right to closure or to witness a trial. That may be your moral viewpoint but it is not the law. They also don't get do not get to claim a lottery win because crime affected their family in a negative manner. My shed was broken into and the cops came and took fingerprints and told me flat-out that if they could match the prints there was really nothing they could do so should I be entitled to $50k because they didn't invest resources scouring the country for the thief?

This case is terrible. Pickton should have got a firing squad or hanging. Unfortunately it involved people on the fringe of society and the law who have a habit of disappearing for long periods for no good reason. If the cops spent time and money looking for every prostitute who went missing they wouldn't have time for anything else and you would feel a lot different about that situation.

As I said at the start of this thread it is a terrible precedent to set giving families money because crime affected them in some way. It shouldn't happen and we should accept it and people who support it are using their emotions instead of their brains.

We are never going to agree on this and I don't have the energy to argue with you so I will just vehemently agree to disagree.

 

[JLM]

Not only do we have to ensure that the likes of the prostitutes have to be treated exactly the same as Princess Kate but we also have to ensure that Pickton (until proven guilty) has to be treated with the same consideration you would with Trevor Linden or Terry Fox. I would suggest that for almost the entire time Pickton was a suspect not many had an idea as to what extent.

Why? We didn't do anything. I am tired of being responsible for other people's mistakes and tired of people thinking any bad event in their life should come with a cash award. Get over it! Bad sh*t happens sometimes! That doesn't entitle you to come with hat in hand looking for a gravy train.

Yep, that f**kin' teacher who slapped my face in front of the class in grade one should still be in jail after forking over $1 million to me for pain and embarrassment.

 

[Sal]

Why? We didn't do anything. I am tired of being responsible for other people's mistakes and tired of people thinking any bad event in their life should come with a cash award. Get over it! Bad sh*t happens sometimes! That doesn't entitle you to come with hat in hand looking for a gravy train.

Who came with hat in hand looking for money? No one. It was a judgement made. That is all. Each case must be decided separately. It has been decided.

This isn't just a bad event in someone's life...this is the horrific torture and murder of multiple women and it spanned years. This is about disposal of bodies by feeding them to pigs...

As members of a society we all bear responsibility for each other. You are wrong about saying CS was making wild accusations there was a 1500 page report about why Picton wasn't caught sooner: this is a quote from two years ago

As commissioner Wally Oppal prepares to release his 1,448-page report on Monday outlining why the serial killer wasn’t caught sooner, despite police having evidence linking Mr. Pickton to the disappearance of sex workers from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside years before his 2002 arrest, area locals say the Pickton case is now firmly a part of history.

These girls were throw-aways in the eyes of many in society and they may well be labelled by some as w hores...they were still someone's sister, someone's daughter, someone's mother and they were murdered. Perhaps there were mental issues, perhaps there were circumstances no one will ever know about. They never had a chance to recover or find their way home, that was taken from them by Picton. They deserved justice these girls. Justice was not done.

Why should the families be given money?

Simply because it is the right thing to do.

 

[gerryh]

Who came with hat in hand looking for money? No one. It was a judgement made. That is all. Each case must be decided separately. It has been decided.

This isn't just a bad event in someone's life...this is the horrific torture and murder of multiple women and it spanned years. This is about disposal of bodies by feeding them to pigs...

As members of a society we all bear responsibility for each other. You are wrong about saying CS was making wild accusations there was a 1500 page report about why Picton wasn't caught sooner: this is a quote from two years ago

These girls were throw-aways in the eyes of many in society and they may well be labelled by some as w hores...they were still someone's sister, someone's daughter, someone's mother and they were murdered. Perhaps there were mental issues, perhaps there were circumstances no one will ever know about. They never had a chance to recover or find their way home, that was taken from them by Picton. They deserved justice these girls. Justice was not done.

Why should the families be given money?

Simply because it is the right thing to do.

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Not that nicky will figure it out. If you haven't noticed by now, with nicky, it all comes down to money and what he has to supposedly pay.

 

[JLM]

Who came with hat in hand looking for money? No one. It was a judgement made. That is all. Each case must be decided separately. It has been decided.

This isn't just a bad event in someone's life...this is the horrific torture and murder of multiple women and it spanned years. This is about disposal of bodies by feeding them to pigs...

As members of a society we all bear responsibility for each other. You are wrong about saying CS was making wild accusations there was a 1500 page report about why Picton wasn't caught sooner: this is a quote from two years ago

These girls were throw-aways in the eyes of many in society and they may well be labelled by some as w hores...they were still someone's sister, someone's daughter, someone's mother and they were murdered. Perhaps there were mental issues, perhaps there were circumstances no one will ever know about. They never had a chance to recover or find their way home, that was taken from them by Picton. They deserved justice these girls. Justice was not done.

Why should the families be given money?

Simply because it is the right thing to do.

I think both you and Nick make good points- the one problem I see is the one responsible won't be paying the money and point #2 would be the money will help recover very little.

 

[PoliticalNick]

We are never going to agree on this and I don't have the energy to argue with you so I will just vehemently agree to disagree.

It's all good RCS. We can disagree and still get along. ;-)

Who came with hat in hand looking for money? No one. It was a judgement made. That is all. Each case must be decided separately. It has been decided.

This isn't just a bad event in someone's life...this is the horrific torture and murder of multiple women and it spanned years. This is about disposal of bodies by feeding them to pigs...

As members of a society we all bear responsibility for each other. You are wrong about saying CS was making wild accusations there was a 1500 page report about why Picton wasn't caught sooner: this is a quote from two years ago

These girls were throw-aways in the eyes of many in society and they may well be labelled by some as w hores...they were still someone's sister, someone's daughter, someone's mother and they were murdered. Perhaps there were mental issues, perhaps there were circumstances no one will ever know about. They never had a chance to recover or find their way home, that was taken from them by Picton. They deserved justice these girls. Justice was not done.

Why should the families be given money?

Simply because it is the right thing to do.

It isn't any form of justice to hand them cash. Justice would be putting him in a room with the families and giving them all fairly dull pocket knifes to have their way.

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Not that nicky will figure it out. If you haven't noticed by now, with nicky, it all comes down to money and what he has to supposedly pay.

I don't deny it G. It is about money leaving my pocket for things I had no part in. I never said it wasn't terrible for the victims. I won't deny it is hard on those left behind. I just do not agree that I or my family should pony up dough because of it.

 

[gerryh]

I don't deny it G. It is about money leaving my pocket for things I had no part in. I never said it wasn't terrible for the victims. I won't deny it is hard on those left behind. I just do not agree that I or my family should pony up dough because of it.

Of course not,, it's called selfishness and a lack of social conscious.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Of course not,, it's called selfishness and a lack of social conscious.

I gave about $12k To charity Last year without filing 1 tax receipt and have fostered 4 kids. I have plenty of social conscience and responsibility.

 

[Sal]

It isn't any form of justice to hand them cash.

in your estimation Nick.

Justice would be putting him in a room with the families and giving them all fairly dull pocket knifes to have their way.

I could no more kill Picton than kill my cat. That is not justice, that is revenge.

As for your money...I think you can afford the 20 cents...that's what it will cost each of us to pay these families off for having a member of their family involved in the biggest serial slaughter in our history.

So if this truly is about the money you can sleep better knowing politicians steal more from you per minute than you will be contributing as a sorry for our fuk up and sorry for your loss.

 

[gerryh]

I gave about $12k To charity Last year without filing 1 tax receipt and have fostered 4 kids. I have plenty of social conscience and responsibility.

wow, and yet you bitch about pennies.

Makes me question your above claim.

 

[JLM]

It isn't any form of justice to hand them cash. Justice would be putting him in a room with the families and giving them all fairly dull pocket knifes to have their way.

That procedure was good back in the day, Nick, but you just can't do that stuff anymore! Old P.E.T. would be reverberating in his grave!

in your estimation Nick.


I could no more kill Picton than kill my cat. That is not justice, that is revenge.

As for your money...I think you can afford the 20 cents...that's what it will cost each of us to pay these families off for having a member of their family involved in the biggest serial slaughter in our history.

So if this truly is about the money you can sleep better knowing politicians steal more from you per minute than you will be contributing as a sorry for our fuk up and sorry for your loss.

That would be fine, Sal, if that was the end of it, but sadly we would just be scratching the "tip of the iceberg". The families of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy are probably just as deserving and the little girl abducted, raped and murdered in Ontario a couple of years ago, and then there are Clifford Olson's victims and David Snow's victims and on and on- there is no end to the list but sadly there is an end to the money. Sooner or later we have to start cutting somewhere, but where? Health care? Education?..................Ah maybe politicians' salaries, but that's a finite quantity too. Better just not to get started.

 

[gerryh]

That would be fine, Sal, if that was the end of it, but sadly we would just be scratching the "tip of the iceberg". The families of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy are probably just as deserving and the little girl abducted, raped and murdered in Ontario a couple of years ago, and then there are Clifford Olson's victims and David Snow's victims and on and on- there is no end to the list but sadly there is an end to the money. Sooner or later we have to start cutting somewhere, but where? Health care? Education?..................Ah maybe politicians' salaries, but that's a finite quantity too. Better just not to get started.

Do something different and read her posts. The settlement is because the cops fu cked up. They knew something was up with picton long before he was arrested. They didn't pursue it because the women going missing were not "important" to the cops. Not quite the same as what you are implying.

 

[JLM]

Do something different and read her posts. The settlement is because the cops fu cked up. They knew something was up with picton long before he was arrested. They didn't pursue it because the women going missing were not "important" to the cops. Not quite the same as what you are implying.

Then assess the cops! Is there an official document somewhere stipulating it was the cops' fault? Methinks you are into nebulous territory here. How many cops f**ked up? Which cops?

 

[gerryh]

Then assess the cops! Is there an official document somewhere stipulating it was the cops' fault? Methinks you are into nebulous territory here. How many cops f**ked up? Which cops?

OMFG...... are you that dense? Did you not read Wally Opals report? Are you actually commenting on a subject that you have no clue what so ever what is going on?

 

[PoliticalNick]

in your estimation Nick.


I could no more kill Picton than kill my cat. That is not justice, that is revenge.

As for your money...I think you can afford the 20 cents...that's what it will cost each of us to pay these families off for having a member of their family involved in the biggest serial slaughter in our history.

So if this truly is about the money you can sleep better knowing politicians steal more from you per minute than you will be contributing as a sorry for our fuk up and sorry for your loss.

You miss the point Sal. I didn't fuk up anything.

wow, and yet you bitch about pennies.

Makes me question your above claim.

I bitch because I don't have a choice to do this. The money I donate is my choice. I pick the amount and I pick the recipient. Being forced to donate no longer makes it charity it makes it theft.

 

[Sal]

You miss the point Sal. I didn't fuk up anything.

it's a .20 cent fee because of a wrong committed by the society of which you are a part by choice, it comes with being a part of the tribe

 

[JLM]

OMFG...... are you that dense? Did you not read Wally Opals report? Are you actually commenting on a subject that you have no clue what so ever what is going on?

Very few people are as F**Kin' dense as you are yourself! Of course I was aware of Wally Oppal's report and as you so eloquently suggest my knowledge is a little less than perfect, BUT as I suspected and have since confirmed, there is a question to its authenticity as indicated in the Huff Post to writ..........................."The provincial government and the City of Vancouver said they shouldn't be forced to accept all of the findings in Oppal's report, because a public inquiry isn't as rigorous as a formal trial. They also said it's difficult to distinguish between Oppal's factual findings and the commissioner's opinions."
I was hoping to find the actual names of the members of the Vancouver detachment deemed to be responsible, but to no avail.
So there you have it, Einstein!

 

[PoliticalNick]

Then assess the cops! Is there an official document somewhere stipulating it was the cops' fault? Methinks you are into nebulous territory here. How many cops f**ked up? Which cops?

I agree J. Go after the individuals that made those decisions. Take their houses and cars and pensions etc. Why should I pay anything when they get to keep their jobs, pensions and benefits. I think the citizens of BC should launch a class action suit against the officers involved to get our money back and have them removed from duty.

 

[Sal]

Then assess the cops! Is there an official document somewhere stipulating it was the cops' fault? Methinks you are into nebulous territory here. How many cops f**ked up? Which cops?

the document is over a 1000 pages long, the paper on which it is printed costs more than you will contribute to the victim's families

in the end it comes down to compassion, what you believe to be ethical and or moral...

you'll have to search your own soul for the answer to that

That procedure was good back in the day, Nick, but you just can't do that stuff anymore! Old P.E.T. would be reverberating in his grave!




That would be fine, Sal, if that was the end of it, but sadly we would just be scratching the "tip of the iceberg". The families of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy are probably just as deserving and the little girl abducted, raped and murdered in Ontario a couple of years ago, and then there are Clifford Olson's victims and David Snow's victims and on and on- there is no end to the list but sadly there is an end to the money. Sooner or later we have to start cutting somewhere, but where? Health care? Education?..................Ah maybe politicians' salaries, but that's a finite quantity too. Better just not to get started.

you picked a heck of a place to save .20 cents

 

[JLM]

I bitch because I don't have a choice to do this. The money I donate is my choice. I pick the amount and I pick the recipient. Being forced to donate no longer makes it charity it makes it theft.

I certainly have no argument with the relatives of the victims being deserving of some compensation, especially in a form that is sustainable and would do them some good. If it was merely an amount = $50 grand X 49, I'd be the first to say go ahead, it may make some very sad people's lives easier to live. The danger lies in what its going to get started.