TWU law school snub
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Lol, your view of what is a choice and what is forced is extremely flexible.
Again, there are no students to worry about here because there are no students. Future students will have the chance to evaluate the program and what it will allow them to do, and then make a decision based on that, just like everyone else does when considering any other program.
The previous SC decision clearly supports the school, but justices and opinions change over time, so we don't know how they will decide on this until it is before them.
The decision not to accredit them has nothing to do with the fact that they are faith based. It is that they discriminate. The NS law society has clearly stated that they will accredit them if they take out the rules banning homosexuality.
Within the legal profession? Of course. Dealing with ethical issues within their profession is pretty much central to what they do. They exist to regulate the legal profession.
Did you miss the line about "any rule that doesn't discriminate"? This rule doesn't discriminate against race, sex, age, religion or sexual preference. It is part of a code of ethics put forward by the school. It only discriminates against someone who does not wish to adhere to those ethics. It is no different than Harvard having a rule against plagiarism or UCLA having a rule against drugs. They are allowed to require adherence to their rules so long as those rules are applied equally to each person regardless of their race, age, sex religion or sexual orientation. The law society is completely wrong as long as the academic standards are recognized as sufficient for graduation and to pass the bar exam. In fact the law society is discriminating based solely on the religious based nature of the code of ethics and is guilty of civil rights violations.
Yet you will argue for the rights of other religions to wear their concealed daggers and turbans in place of helmets .
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong....same sex marriage is legal in Ontario, right? The covenant states no sex outside of marriage. Where/how does this discriminate against LGBT people? Isn't that a "recommendation" in all Roman Catholic religions. No sex before marriage? The LSCU would have to ban 'em all!
Is this a joke? Do you have any idea what we are talking about here?
The rules explicitly discriminate based on sexual preference and religion.
These rules explicitly affect people differently based on their religious beliefs and sexual orientation.
You could say that it applies the same to everyone because everyone is required to be christian, straight, and celibate. But you could use that same logic to say that my "no black people" rule also applies to everyone equally because everyone is expected not to be black.
I see you skipped right over the fact that the Law society is taking away the right of a Christian Law student to attend a Christian Law school.
Yup and how will any one know what you do in your own bedroom if you are discreet . So who cares ?
The students have to pledge to abstain from "sexual intimacy that violates the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman"
No, it doesn't. They can go to any law school they want. Who is stopping them?
No, they wouldn't be able to go to TWU because it isn't accredited in Ontario. They are being restricted in their choices......... seems like only the law society and the PC brigade are allowed to put any restrictions on people.
If they don't intend to enforce it then they shouldn't have the rule in the first place.
If you are saying that students should just break the rules and lie about it, let me remind you that we are talking about law students here. Their whole future career is about upholding rules and law, and proving "good character" is a requirement for being licensed as a lawyer. Obviously the law society can't accredit a law program that expects people to lie in order to be accepted and graduate.
There is no right to attend a faith based law school.
If you want to be a lawyer in a certain place, you need to obtain a law degree from an accredited law school. If the schools chooses to work with the law societies and drop the discriminatory policies, then they can provide their students with a faith based option for law school. If they don't work with the law societies, then they wont be able to provide that.
No, the covenant states that you cannot be sexually intimate outside of a marriage between a husband and wife, in particular. This is a clearly discriminatory covenant which, if Trinity Western University was exclusively theological, I might write off as being internal to the workings of the Church. Same-sex marriages are not recognized as a valid form of intimate relationship under this covenant.
If this University is going to be creating new non-religious academic degrees under the Degree Authorization Act, then I think that the B.C. Ministry of Advanced Education — and the national and provincial law societies — should apply the same standards to which any public post-secondary institution would be subject.
Think about this now, if no one has the "right" to attend a faith based school. Then who's "rights" are being infringed upon by that same faith based school?
and BC has done that. Now, we have other law society's trying to force their own morality on the University rather than sticking to the academics.
You fall way short of any real argument with the whole 'black' thing. Anyone can attend TWU. A student is not required to be white, christian, straight or a virgin. No such rules exist there. They simply have to agree that a requirement to attend is to abstain from pre-marital sex.
The law society's only legitimate concern with the school is whether the curriculum and standards of learning are meeting the requirements set forth to receive a law degree and attempt the bar exam. They do not govern the ethics of schools, they govern the ethics of lawyers and there is a big difference there. Apparently they have trouble governing their own discrimination which may explain why we all think how we do of lawyers.
On may occasions here I have expressed my absolute disdain for all religion. I find it to be complete codswallop and nothing more than preying on the minds of the weak who need some supreme reason for our existence. That said I do think most religions espouse at least some good morals and if people are nicer to each other and live a more ethical life because of their beliefs, no matter how crazy I personally find them, then there is some good from it. Why an association that is supposed to set unimpeachable standards of ethics would decry the lofty standards set by a school is not easy to fathom unless the parties in control of the law society have a bias against the religion because it promotes good moral fiber and that is actually discrimination under the Charter.
On a separate note....I am quite familiar with TWU in Langley. I know people who went there. I know people who partied their faces off and screwed like rabbits while attending I even have personal knowledge of a lesbian graduate. Having this clause in the student contract does not guarantee adherence.
Exactly! If they don't like the standards at one school they can attend another. If they disagree with the policy against illegal drugs at UBC they can try to find one without such a rule or they can agree to be bound by it and attend UBC.
And work in ON because they are Christian.
I made a pledge to my wife which had biblical and legal obligations. I guess I can't be a lawyer in ON even if I didn't break my wedding vows saying I'd be faithful and not break the sacredness of our marriage.
Any Christian can practice law in Ontario if they have been called to the bar as a graduate of an accredited law school. The Law Society of Upper Canada has not refused accreditation to Trinity Western University because it is a Christian university, but because it is a post-secondary institution that has established rules that forbid students who are openly gay or lesbian from being themselves... and this is an entirely reasonable position for these law societies.
Lol, funny.
You said they are preventing them from going to a christian law school. The fact is that there is no right guaranteeing that people have access to a faith based law school that is accredited in all provinces. This isn't an issue.