If you mean in the esoteric sense then I agree although I do not think all of us get there. Literalists who are idol worshipers will not bother seeking and will not find themselves above the waters until they die.
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Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?
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Dying is not an escape since in the ancient gnostic/Egyptian terms we are already dead and this earth is the underworld. All religious scriptures were written from the perspective of the fallen souls who experience death in matter/bodies, the purpose of our trials in matter is to remember our origins and accend back to the lake of fire. Failure to remember means we repeat the grade. No enlightenment no accent to the heavenly worlds.
Bible interpretation requires more than a passing knowledge of history, FP. Linguistics play an important role:
"One of the most important aspects of the human side of the Bible is that, in order to communicate his Word to all human conditions, God chose to use almost every available kind of communication: narrative history, genealogies, chronicles, laws, poetry, proverbs, prophetic oracles, riddles, drama, biographical sketches, parables, letters, sermons and apocalypses." (Fee & Stuart, Introduction: The Need to Interpret, How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth)
As a Christian, you must also appreciate the surpassing influence of the Spirit:
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:26 NIV)
We all view myths in our own way. They have to be internalized for enlightenment. Mine shows more of a perfect environment for mankind. We are very much alive. You paint a dreary picture of the ancients and it was not that bad then or now.
I do not agree with your first. Sort of. Personally, I agree that dying is not an escape. But it is a subjective thing. Right?
Unfortunately, with some of the old I have met, they did look at dying as an escape.
In a real sense, to them, it was exactly that.
Knowing the condition of some, I would agree with them if I were in their place.
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DL
Ya ya. Spirit.
I am not a Christian. I am a cut above. I am a Gnostic Christian. Please do not insult me.
So to you, all the other traditions of God are all wrong and the historic tradition you follow of a genocidal son murdering God is correct.
That is not much of an example of a god and moral God.
I think you can do better.
Look into Gnostic Christianity. They are about the only one of the Abrahamic cults that have full equality for women and gays. We also beat Christian morals hands down.
You have to think this way though ------- Alan Watts - On The Book of Eli - YouTube
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DL
So are you advocating usurping the divine right of God to design and implement the selection process in the enlightenment curriculum of evolution? Consider the ramifications of totalitarian imposed universal moral values all locked in to practice and the removal of free will in the applicants decisions. It is for each individual to arrive at ethical and moral perfection through the trials and tribulations of the flesh. No one else can do that for you in advance or do you accept that the meat Jesus once and for all paid for your sin and you are spared the supreme effort. These questions of sexual nature will remain all through the generations by design and they must be addressed by each succeeding generation in turn. They have no satisfying conclusion in the material world, they have only eternal instructional purpose. Remember to be human is to err, if we don't err we don't learn. The perfection you advocate is the perfection of extinction in that you advocate that the divinely designed determination process of nature be codified in advance of the individuals necessary exercise of reason. It is that exercise that is required by God and not the human laws that would seek to prevent the very exercise that must be entered into for continuation of the selection process. There is no external help that can remove those considerations from the individual and to advocate for such is purely and simply at odds with Gods design.
No. Because there is no such God to usurp anything from.
The only divine right a God can have is whatever man gives him. Only man can name a divine right because man has always been the only God we know. Only man has ever shown God's will and that means that God has always been a man. Or a woman of course.
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DL
Gnosticism, is not and never has been Christian. It is a form of occult spiritualism associated with paganism, sexual libertinism, rejection of moral structures and imperatives on an individual or social level.
It was one of the great heresies taken on by the early Church. It has no more of a God than Buddhism does, seeking an elevated state and knowledge, through gorging the appetites (the opposite of Buddhism)
It has seen a resurgence now as some try to reconcile an increasingly post structural, post Christian West... with its cults of radical individualism, moral relativism, and material gratification.. with something recognizable from its past.
But in truth the the civilizing impulse was one that rejected rather than embraced the occult origins of gnosticism.
It was one of the great heresies taken on by the early Church. It has no more of a God than Buddhism does, seeking an elevated state and knowledge, through gorging the appetites (the opposite of Buddhism)
It has seen a resurgence now as some try to reconcile an increasingly post structural, post Christian West... with its cults of radical individualism, moral relativism, and material gratification.. with something recognizable from its past.
But in truth the the civilizing impulse was one that rejected rather than embraced the occult origins of gnosticism.
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Thanks for the laugh my friend.
I assure you that Gnostic Christians exist. And yes, some new agers are trying the occult. Gnosticism has always had it's Kabbalistic roots. We accept and are into all religions. That is why we can be Universalists. We are the goats to all sheep whatever flag or emblem is flown.
Gnostic Christians though are not into the occult and the old critics were all pagans including all Christian sects radical means nothing.
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"sexual libertinism, rejection of moral structures and imperatives on an individual or social level. "
This sentence I see as a complete lie and rather stupid. It is kin to saying all Muslims are ready to strap on bombs.
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Avicii - Liar Liar (Audio) - YouTube
Have a bit of truth just to confuse you.
Gnostic View of Gender Equality - Gnostic Gospels
On Righteousness
The rightousness of God is a kind of sharing along with equality. There is equality in the heaven which is stretched out in all directions and contains the entire earth in its circle. The night reveals all the stars equally.
Gnostic Scriptures and Fragments: Epiphanes - On Righteousness
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DL
Maybe folks would, if those that were pitching it didn't come off as arrogant, self-righteous or belonging to the 'best' religion.
Consider 'attraction rather than promotion'.
Perhaps that would work to your advantage when hoping for open minds to hear you out.
More flies with sh!t and honey beats the vinegar route any day of the week chum.
Anyway, whatever and all that jazz... I don't much care. I'm a non-religious-non-church-attending-heathenous sinner. :lol:
okay, so I'm finding this discussion rather interesting.
and I suppose all manner of religion or philosophy boils down to how we ought live our lives.
are we to judge and condemn others in their chosen ways? I'm of the opinion we should not... excluding extreme transgressions on humanity... but rather actively seek means of reconciliation and inclusion toward all feeling purpose in this greater family of man.
I wish I could live my life right, but it's so difficult within these present constructs. When I read The Celestine Prophecy I thought I agreed with just about every tenet/insight it revealed. It also occurred that even if the premise was true, it would still, given our present paradigm, have to be sold as a fiction. The meddling powers that be just wouldn't have it any other way. But one thing about it that appealed most to me was that it didn't refute any other religion; and it still does: that all religions are equally valid.
I suppose I consider myself a Christian - one who doesn't believe you have to believe Jesus was/is God, but if you try to stick to his message
then you are a de facto Christian, even if you choose not to believe you are.
ok, so it's settled. I'm a heretic!
lol
and I suppose all manner of religion or philosophy boils down to how we ought live our lives.
are we to judge and condemn others in their chosen ways? I'm of the opinion we should not... excluding extreme transgressions on humanity... but rather actively seek means of reconciliation and inclusion toward all feeling purpose in this greater family of man.
I wish I could live my life right, but it's so difficult within these present constructs. When I read The Celestine Prophecy I thought I agreed with just about every tenet/insight it revealed. It also occurred that even if the premise was true, it would still, given our present paradigm, have to be sold as a fiction. The meddling powers that be just wouldn't have it any other way. But one thing about it that appealed most to me was that it didn't refute any other religion; and it still does: that all religions are equally valid.
I suppose I consider myself a Christian - one who doesn't believe you have to believe Jesus was/is God, but if you try to stick to his message
then you are a de facto Christian, even if you choose not to believe you are.ok, so it's settled. I'm a heretic!
lol
Then let him step up and argue for himself. I do not mind educating anyone.
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DL
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And can't be for equality much if you do not see Gnostic Christianity and equality as superior to what Christianity and Islam are doing to women and gays.
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DL