Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits

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The Nazis actually lost the Second World War, leading to Hitler and Eva Braun killing themselves in their Berlin bunker.
It was quite a big event at the time. Buy a book and read about it.

The world lost WW2, the NAZI'S have ruled since then. They have written all your comic books.

Bankers Ready To Start WW3 Over Ukraine?
Read more at Bankers Ready To Start WW3 Over Ukraine? | InvestmentWatch

Bankers and NAZI'S are the same old team.
 

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Ukraine: Secretive Neo-Nazi Military Organization Involved in Euromaidan Snyper Shootings | Global ResearchSecretive Neo-Nazi Military Organization Involved in Euromaidan Snyper Shootings

Strange Ukraine ‘Nationalists’ The leader of UNA-UNSO, Andriy Shkil, ten years ago became an adviser to Julia Tymoshenko. UNA-UNSO, during the US-instigated 2003-2004 “Orange Revolution”, backed pro-NATO candidate Viktor Yushchenko against his pro-Russian opponent, Yanukovich. UNA-UNSO members provided security for the supporters of Yushchenko and Julia Tymoshenko on Independence Square in Kiev in 2003-4.[4]
UNA-UNSO is also reported to have close ties to the German National Democratic Party (NDP). [5]
Ever since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the crack-para-military UNA-UNSO members have been behind every revolt against Russian influence. The one connecting thread in their violent campaigns is always anti-Russia. The organization, according to veteran US intelligence sources, is part of a secret NATO “GLADIO” organization, and not a Ukraine nationalist group as portrayed in western media. [6]
According to these sources, UNA-UNSO have been involved (confirmed officially) in the Lithuanian events in the Winter of 1991, the Soviet Coup d’etat in Summer 1991, the war for the Pridnister Republic 1992, the anti-Moscow Abkhazia War 1993, the Chechen War, the US-organized Kosovo Campaign Against the Serbs, and the August 8 2008 war in Georgia. According to these reports, UNA-UNSO para-military have been involved in every NATO dirty war in the post-cold war period, always fighting on behalf of NATO. “These people are the dangerous mercenaries used all over the world to fight NATO’s dirty war, and to frame Russia because this group pretends to be Russian special forces. THESE ARE THE BAD GUYS, forget about the window dressing nationalists, these are the men behind the sniper rifles,” these sources insist. [7]
If true that UNA-UNSO is not “Ukrainian” opposition, but rather a highly secret NATO force using Ukraine as base, it would suggest that the EU peace compromise with the moderates was likely sabotaged by the one major player excluded from the Kiev 21 February diplomatic talks—Victoria Nuland’s State Department.[8] Both Nuland and right-wing Republican US Senator John McCain have had contact with the leader of the Ukrainian opposition Svoboda Party, whose leader is openly anti-semitic and defends the deeds of a World War II Ukrainian SS-Galicia Division head.[9] The party was registered in 1995, initially calling itself the “Social National Party of Ukraine” and using a swastika style logo. Svoboda is the electoral front for neo-nazi organizations in Ukraine such as UNA-UNSO.[10]
One further indication that Nuland’s hand is shaping latest Ukraine events is the fact that the new Ukrainian Parliament is expected to nominate Nuland’s choice, Arseny Yatsenyuk, from Tymoshenko’s party, to be interim head of the new Cabinet.
Whatever the final truth, clear is that Washington has prepared a new economic rape of Ukraine using its control over the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
IMF plunder of Ukraine Crown Jewels
Now that the “opposition” has driven a duly-elected president into exile somewhere unknown, and dissolved the national riot police, Berkut, Washington has demanded that Ukraine submit to onerous IMF conditionalities.
In negotiations last October, the IMF demanded that Ukraine double prices for gas and electricity to industry and homes, that they lift a ban on private sale of Ukraine’s rich agriculture lands, make a major overhaul of their economic holdings, devalue the currency, slash state funds for school children and the elderly to “balance the budget.” In return Ukraine would get a paltry $4 billion.
Before the ouster of the Moscow-leaning Yanukovich government last week, Moscow was prepared to buy some $15 billion of Ukraine debt and to slash its gas prices by fully one-third. Now, understandably, Russia is unlikely to give that support. The economic cooperation between Ukraine and Moscow was something Washington was determined to sabotage at all costs.
This drama is far from over. The stakes involve the very future of Russia, the EU-Russian relations, and the global power of Washington, or at least that faction in Washington that sees further wars as the prime instrument of policy.
Writer F. William Engdahl is a geopolitical analyst and the author of “Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order”.

No. Germany, Italy and Japan did.
It's as simple as that.

It's as simple as that (in your mind) because that's as complicated as you can get maybe.
 

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Mhz please go to Russia . No one here respects you least of myself. You are a liar and deserve to have what Russia offers and when you finally figure out that you are WRONG , guess what you can stay there.

We do not need people who object to freedom and use innuendo and lies to prove your point as Putin already does that .

You have not answered any questions I asked you and rather than trying to understand or help you come up with these fantastic tales of yours I have been there and seen on first hand , my wife was raised there through the communist years and the break from Russia , so I take her word over yours any day as she was actually there where as you spin these tales like you are an expert on the region which all know you are not.

To Colpy : sorry sir I will not make that mistake again :)
 

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Mhz please go to Russia .
Do you think the 'please' detracts from the Nazi-like command?

No one here respects you least of myself.
What's your point?

You are a liar and deserve to have what Russia offers and when you finally figure out that you are WRONG , guess what you can stay there.
Lied about what exactly, my posts come with links unless it is speculation about current weapon capabilities.

We do not need people who object to freedom and use innuendo and lies to prove your point as Putin already does that .
Who's objecting to freedom? You seem to supporting the overthrow of an elected Government by violent means, that is not what freedom is about.

You have not answered any questions I asked you and rather than trying to understand or help you come up with these fantastic tales of yours I have been there and seen on first hand ,
What years were you there because I'm willing to bet that is what you are running on and you have not updated any of you knowledge since that era.

my wife was raised there through the communist years and the break from Russia ,
Same as the point above, she is most likely still thinking things are the same, they aren't, so get over it and grow up. both of you.

so I take her word over yours any day as she was actually there where as you spin these tales like you are an expert on the region which all know you are not.
You views are from the past so you are far from being an expert on 'current events'.
You don't have to be an expert to see the West likes to cause civil wars so they can 'come to the (fake) rescue. You should get to know your new masters. They lie also but you can't see that, not my problem.
 

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Do you think the 'please' detracts from the Nazi-like command?


What's your point?


Lied about what exactly, my posts come with links unless it is speculation about current weapon capabilities.


Who's objecting to freedom? You seem to supporting the overthrow of an elected Government by violent means, that is not what freedom is about.


What years were you there because I'm willing to bet that is what you are running on and you have not updated any of you knowledge since that era.


Same as the point above, she is most likely still thinking things are the same, they aren't, so get over it and grow up. both of you.


You views are from the past so you are far from being an expert on 'current events'.
You don't have to be an expert to see the West likes to cause civil wars so they can 'come to the (fake) rescue. You should get to know your new masters. They lie also but you can't see that, not my problem.
MHz
We just came back from Kyiv can you say the same about being in either Russia or Ukraine.
Have you ever left Canada or have you ever actually talked to people that live there in Russia or Ukraine ?

Again please go to Russia then write us about how happy you are and how bad we have it here in Canada.
 

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We just came back from Kyiv can you say the same about being in either Russia or Ukraine.
Have you ever left Canada or have you ever actually talked to people that live there in Russia or Ukraine ?

Again please go to Russia then write us about how happy you are and how bad we have it here in Canada.
No.
No.
The people of Crimea choose to have Russian troops doing their security, that you are you friends don't like it is immaterial, you don't get to decide who they accept as their authority when the legal government has been overthrown bi a violent uprising. (that it was caused by the West is not an unimportant point here.

Russia has never been in control of the Ukraine so anything you recently experienced is the Ukraine under western control, if it was under Russian control the overthrow would not have worked.
You keep harping on about how bad I think we have it in Canada when I have never said that, that just makes you appear as stupid as you really are.

BTW Russia has not claimed Kiev as being under their protection so what are you even complaining about or do you think the people in Kiev get to determine what the people in Crimea should be doing?
 

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That's an everyday thing.

Yeah... in Russia


Is gibberish your first or second language, whatever it is you are awfully good at it.

The West wants to run the place go ahead and when the place is stable from random snipers then the bridge will be reopened. ( by then there might be a canal for heavy ships in place as cargo exports to places like Syria will increase if the ICC awards damages to them because of some hi-res documentation that shows the uprising was actually a covert act of war and since they lost they get to pick up the bank tab for both sides. The Saudis have oil and the UN will have to take over the meter readings, hope they are up to the tasks. ) Isn't that how you break somebody of a bad habit? One hard smack and it's a done deal, for them and for any witnesses.
 

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We just came back from Kyiv can you say the same about being in either Russia or Ukraine.
Have you ever left Canada or have you ever actually talked to people that live there in Russia or Ukraine ?

Again please go to Russia then write us about how happy you are and how bad we have it here in Canada.

What? And loose out on all his entitlements? Like the freedom to post BS. Oreven the freedom to post.
 

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You 3 seem to like your ability to whine and whimper when the world does play the way you want it to. Where your true (and very ugly) morals stick out is you think it is only you that can post an opinion. lol, I love the smell of smoking hypocrites.

.... the ICC ....
That a new term for you?
 

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You 3 seem to like your ability to whine and whimper when the world does play the way you want it to. Where your true (and very ugly) morals stick out is you think it is only you that can post an opinion. lol, I love the smell of smoking hypocrites.


That a new term for you?

There will be no wars in Siberia because you can never take the ground when you can only move around for a part of the year. What you do is move and tap the resources so it runs by itself for the time you cannot service it. With the 60M Chinese (as 1 report stated) poised on Russia's back door they might was well build a divided highway with grades no more than 5% to allow access while not having to muck about in the thawed tundra. That should be the same white spruce we have in Canada' wilderness areas. As long as they don't harvest with nuclear weapons it is a renewable resource as they have our mistakes in forest management to know what not to do.~ MHz
 

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Russia has weapons of mass destruction, the west won't be democratizing them any time soon. Russia can defend itself the west is afraid of people like that. The west is a genderless circus of freaks. This mornings CBC first out Russiabad Russiabad Russiabad next out gay movies trans gender equality problems, next global warming denial. The whole fracking bunch of them CBC twits should be canned. I'm sick and tired of the cultivated breathless enthusiasm in their canned voices. And when will they interview someone from a Canadian university or someone with a different point of view, why does it always have to be an expert from an American stink tank or worse an "expert" Limey analyst. Why don't Canadians get to speak on Canadian radio? Why is Canadian thinking portrayed as being exactly like the western establishment homogeneous norm?
 
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There will be no wars in Siberia because you can never take the ground when you can only move around for a part of the year. What you do is move and tap the resources so it runs by itself for the time you cannot service it. With the 60M Chinese (as 1 report stated) poised on Russia's back door they might was well build a divided highway with grades no more than 5% to allow access while not having to muck about in the thawed tundra. That should be the same white spruce we have in Canada' wilderness areas. As long as they don't harvest with nuclear weapons it is a renewable resource as they have our mistakes in forest management to know what not to do.~ MHz
Your personality improves the less you speak.
 

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As for my emotional state perhaps it is finding some old recordings that mock our society because we are so messed up it really is quite funny.~ MHz
 

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The war machine design is speculation about what kind of drones can you make with a budget that is in the billions. If you don't like it don't play along. What will this go down as, the 6 minute war?
I would supply the population with consoles at home and have them be the pilots once war is officially on. The military would be fetch, repair, redeploy roles, all roles that a defensive military can maintain for extended periods of time. When it is a drone it doesn't matter if they are Kamikaze flights, having 1,000 launch every hour might be an important thing even if the range is only 200km. A mountain pass in Syria would need something like that as it is 'hostile ground', Crimea is home turf so citizen patrols should be enough to keep out instigators when martial law has been declared, as it has been in this instance
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Must be pretty slow on Crimea and the Ukraine today.

(in part)
Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Tuesday ordered the suspension of joint military exercises with Russia, over Moscow's troop intervention in Ukraine's Crimea region.
"I have this morning directed that, effective immediately, all planned bilateral activities between the Canadian Armed Forces and the military of the Russian Federation be suspended," Harper said in a statement.
Canada Suspends Military Exercises with Russia — Naharnet


Don't know why you 3 are so excited, the US came to the rescue of Kiev?


(in part)
US Secretary of State John Kerry pledged $1 billion in US loan guarantees, offering much-needed financial help for Ukraine’s new government during his visit to Kiev on Tuesday.
Along with the loan, the US was also ready to provide technical support for the country's central bank and finance ministry, Kerry said.
Ukraine’s economy is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy as it tackles a punishing balance-of-payments crisis.
President Obama said after introducing the 2015 US budget that the proposed aid package would “stabilize the economy in Ukraine, help to make sure that fair and free elections take place very soon and as a consequence help de-escalate the crisis.”


http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/kerry-pledges-1-bln-loan-during-kiev-visit


Why do they never include what the payout will be??