Barack Obama Failed

[captain morgan]

ES,

There is little use in any and all attempts at applying logic to an ideologue... The kool-aid must have had a real potent hallucinogen added in the last batch

 

[DaSleeper]

He just bobbin' and weavin' along, and can't admit being wrong....

 

[captain morgan]

Pride often does that

 

[pgs]

You are having serious comprehending problems. You are no longer making sense. You have lost.


Again... what I said...





The Democrats in the US Congress created and passed Obamacare and it was signed into law by a Democrat President. Not one Republican voted for Obamacare.


The blame of this disastrous law rest solely and exclusively on the Democrats.

In typical Joseph potter style what Born Ruff is saying is that because the Republican's did not work any changes into this poorly constructed law ,it is their fault it was poorly constructed .
You really can't expect the Democrats to come up with workable legislation on their own.


Is that about right Born Ruff ?

 

[taxslave]

ObamaCare will cost the Dems the Senate...

Sen. Tom Coburn declared Tuesday that Obamacare is "a failure already" only a month after taking effect and will not accomplish the goal of improving access to healthcare.

"Obamacare is designed to fail," the Oklahoma Republican said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"If you're really wanting to improve the access to healthcare, in terms of a way that gives people access, it's not going to accomplish it."

Saying it was "a failure already," he called it a "seven to one loser for people," referring to initial figures revealing that for every newly insured person, seven people who previously had insurance had lost coverage because of new standards laid out in the law.

"The reason it isn't going to work is because you're trying to dictate and mandate into the insurance industry something that's going to eventually collapse the insurance industry," Coburn said.

"I think we went the exact wrong direction with the Affordable Care Act. It's actually unaffordable," he added.

As an alternative, Coburn, along with Republican Sens. Richard Burr of North Carolina and Orin Hatch of Utah, released a series of proposals Monday designed to address healthcare problems.

Coburn indicated their legislative ideas, outlined in a measure they call the Patient Choice Affordability, Responsibility and Empowerment Act, "won't cost anything," and would actually save money over time.

The measure, he said, focuses on personal choice but includes "great protections that were in the Affordable Care Act, in terms of pre-existing illness."

"(We) created a way so people can have their own personal choice, make their own decisions, rather than the government making decisions for them," he said.

Coburn, a physician by trade, announced earlier this month that he plans to retire at the end of this year because of a continuing battle with prostate cancer. He had previously announced that he would not run for a third term in 2016.

SCource Coburn: Obamacare is 'A Failure Already'

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Which is why private insurers should never have been invited to this. It was supposed to be about health insurance for the citizens, not provide a bunch of profit centers for an insurance sector that is soley interested in making money.

 

[DaSleeper]

In typical Joseph potter style what Born Ruff is saying is that because the Republican's did not work any changes into this poorly constructed law ,it is their fault it was poorly constructed .
You really can't expect the Democrats to come up with workable legislation on their own.


Is that about right Born Ruff ?

There is a resemblance.....to S J P......Wonder if his wife's a doctor???

 

[Sal]

Thank god I live in Canada where our Health care system sucks but exists.

 

[taxslave]

Thank god I live in Canada where our Health care system sucks but exists.

And without any political party actively trying to destroy it.

 

[BornRuff]

In typical Joseph potter style what Born Ruff is saying is that because the Republican's did not work any changes into this poorly constructed law ,it is their fault it was poorly constructed .
You really can't expect the Democrats to come up with workable legislation on their own.


Is that about right Born Ruff ?

Lol, no. If you actually read what ES is so angry about, what I said was that the GOP had a significant impact on how the bill was formed because they gained that 41st vote when they did.

Any basic history of the ACA will note this. It limited their options to either passing the senate bill or passing nothing.

ES,

There is little use in any and all attempts at applying logic to an ideologue... The kool-aid must have had a real potent hallucinogen added in the last batch

Lol, what is ideological about what I said there? It is basic logic.

If someone says "they had all year to pass a bill without GOP interference", what does that imply about what happened after that year, when the bill actually was passed?

 

[BaalsTears]

...It limited their options to either passing the senate bill or passing nothing.
...

I don't agree. The leftists could have been wise instead of clever. The importance of political consensus cannot be overestimated. The leftists could have agreed to Tort Reform and other measures that would have co-opted Republican centrists like Lisa Murkowski and her ilk. That would have given the ACA sufficient bipartisan characteristics to prevent the ACA from becoming a permanent source of agitation and mobilization. But the leftists have a win at all costs mentality that makes it impossible to do business with them through the time honored practice of compromise. The win at all costs mentality has had a radicalizing effect on the right.

 

[Sal]

And without any political party actively trying to destroy it.

yeah, that too. Maybe especially that.

 

[El Barto]

Funny how many wanted him to fail to the point of absurdity before he even got off the starting line.

 

[BaalsTears]

Funny how many wanted him to fail to the point of absurdity before he even got off the starting line.

That is inconsistent with the fact that Republicans rolled over and acquiesced to Obama's Stimulus legislation prior to Obamacare. That legislation was $800 billion in pork that totally wasted and left no trace. It ended up in the pockets of Democratic Party constituents.

 

[EagleSmack]

Lol, no. If you actually read what ES is so angry about, what I said was that the GOP had a significant impact on how the bill was formed because they gained that 41st vote when they did.

Any basic history of the ACA will note this. It limited their options to either passing the senate bill or passing nothing.

Stop your panicking. It's over.. you lost.


The Democrats created and passed the bill... a Democrat signed it into law. Not one Republican voted for it.


The Law is a disaster as everyone can see.


The Democrats are doing their best to say it wasn't their fault.


The abomination known as Obamacare rests squarely and exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrat Party.

Lol, what is ideological about what I said there? It is basic logic.

If someone says "they had all year to pass a bill without GOP interference", what does that imply about what happened after that year, when the bill actually was passed?

What it implies?


I'll tell you what happened the year after...


The bill was signed into law and the Democrats spent the rest of the year begging for forgiveness and they lost full and absolute control of Congress because of their arrogance and the passage of Obamacare.

 

[BornRuff]

I don't agree. The leftists could have been wise instead of clever. The importance of political consensus cannot be overestimated. The leftists could have agreed to Tort Reform and other measures that would have co-opted Republican centrists like Lisa Murkowski and her ilk. That would have given the ACA sufficient bipartisan characteristics to prevent the ACA from becoming a permanent source of agitation and mobilization. But the leftists have a win at all costs mentality that makes it impossible to do business with them through the time honored practice of compromise. The win at all costs mentality has had a radicalizing effect on the right.

It wouldn't have happened. A few moderate GOP votes wouldn't have changed much, other than having those senators aggressively targeted by right wing PACs and swept out of power.

The ACA was the signature policy of Obama, and that really entrenched parties on both sides. Dems had to get it done. As a republican, supporting "Obamacare" was made out to be akin to supporting the holocaust.

 

[EagleSmack]

Funny how many wanted him to fail to the point of absurdity before he even got off the starting line.

What came around went around!


Hanging chads! ... and onward!

It wouldn't have happened. A few moderate GOP votes wouldn't have changed much, other than having those senators aggressively targeted by right wing PACs and swept out of power.

The ACA was the signature policy of Obama, and that really entrenched parties on both sides. Dems had to get it done. As a republican, supporting "Obamacare" was made out to be akin to supporting the holocaust.

Here's a tissue.

 

[BornRuff]

What it implies?


I'll tell you what happened the year after...


The bill was signed into law and the Democrats spent the rest of the year begging for forgiveness and they lost full and absolute control of Congress because of their arrogance and the passage of Obamacare.

But wait. What does this have to do with republican interference? Clearly there was a reason that you limited your statement to only one year, and not the point in time when the bill was actually passed by congress and signed into law.

 

[EagleSmack]

But wait. What does this have to do with republican interference? Clearly there was a reason that you limited your statement to only one year, and not the point in time when the bill was actually passed by congress and signed into law.

I didn't limit it.. you did...


Here...

If someone says "they had all year to pass a bill without GOP interference", what does that imply about what happened after that year, when the bill actually was passed?

You've popped a gasket. You don't know what you're saying from post to post.

 

[BornRuff]

I didn't limit it.. you did...


Here...

You've popped a gasket. You don't know what you're saying from post to post.

Lol, "they had all year" explicitly limits it to a year.

 

[EagleSmack]

Lol, "they had all year" explicitly limits it to a year.

I repeat... You limited it... not me

If someone says "they had all year to pass a bill without GOP interference", what does that imply about what happened after that year, when the bill actually was passed?

You've popped a gasket... you're flailing about aimlessly.