Michael Mann: Harper's War on Science

Zipperfish

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Natural causes far eclipse any man made contributions. One Mt St. Helen's, active volcanic activity, seismic shifts that release methane (among other things) let alone lightening strikes starting massive forest fires will be the major driving forces.

No, anthropogenic contributions are the main driver. You can do pretty simple math to determine that. Calculate the mass of CO2 emitted since the start of the industrial revolution, calcualte the mass of CO2 in the atmosphere in, say, 1860 and now, and it's pretty clear.

I hope the Pacific warms up soon.

Acidic water blamed for West Coast scallop die-off
 

mentalfloss

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Not only that, but we're in a period where La Niña and solar cycle should be cooling the planet and global temps are still rising. Also, atmospheric temps don't show the entire picture as most of the warming is absorbed in oceans and ocean temps have risen significantly.
 

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WOW!!

For a scientist, you show a disturbing ability to disregard the most obvious evidence.

"That's very good evidence that the hockey stick is in fact accurately portraying historical climate."

But the graph has been close to FLAT for 15 years........I'd say that is pretty good evidence Mann is wrong.

Holy crap you're thick...the hockey stick didn't project future temperature change. And as a scientist, I'm very comfortable with things like variability. Please show me where any scientific finding ever claimed that man made climate change requires monotonic increases in temperature.

Please tell me you actually understand that you're arguing a straw man.

The hockey stick is a temperature reconstruction, not a temperature projection. And 15 years of flat air temperatures doesn't mean what you think it does.

As a scientist, I know that the last 15 years doesn't mean a reconstruction of past climate is incorrect. That's just stupid to claim that it does.
 

petros

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Acidic water blamed for West Coast scallop die-off
Human-caused carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere are being absorbed by the ocean and may have pushed local waters through a “tipping point” of acidity beyond which shellfish cannot survive, according to Chris Harley, a marine ecologist at the University of B.C.

Rising ocean acidity is a global phenomenon, made worse by higher natural acidity in local waters, Harley said.
Sooooooo the hydrothermal vents in the Strait of Juan de Fuca, Saanich Bay and Georgia Strait aren't an issue for ocean acidity?

yes or no?

Holy crap you're thick...the hockey stick didn't project future temperature change. And as a scientist, I'm very comfortable with things like variability. Please show me where any scientific finding ever claimed that man made climate change requires monotonic increases in temperature.

Please tell me you actually understand that you're arguing a straw man.

The hockey stick is a temperature reconstruction, not a temperature projection. And 15 years of flat air temperatures doesn't mean what you think it does.

As a scientist, I know that the last 15 years doesn't mean a reconstruction of past climate is incorrect. That's just stupid to claim that it does.
As a scientist I call a hockey stick a hockey stick and bell curve a bell curve.
 

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No, anthropogenic contributions are the main driver. You can do pretty simple math to determine that. Calculate the mass of CO2 emitted since the start of the industrial revolution, calcualte the mass of CO2 in the atmosphere in, say, 1860 and now, and it's pretty clear.


The Icelandic volcano that erupted over a 4 day period negated every effort made to control CO2 emissions in the last 5 years... That one single, 4 day event.

Sorry, but I just can't believe that the combined major events, in addition to the ongoing ones represent less than anthro sources.
 

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Sooooooo the hydrothermal vents in the Strait of Juan de Fuca, Saanich Bay and Georgia Strait aren't an issue for ocean acidity?

yes or no?


Black Smokers.

 

petros

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Tonington

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As a scientist I call a hockey stick a hockey stick and bell curve a bell curve.

A bell curve is named for its shape, similar to the hockey stick graph. If you want to be technical, a bell curve is a Gaussian distribution, and the hockey stick graph is just a time series.
 

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It's not surprising that the powers that be are very very reluctant to forget about the insane notion of anthropocentric destruction of the planet. It's their best excuse for the human cull already underway.