To be honest, I wonder if it would be better in the long run for them to trade the twins for a bunch of prospects and picks.
How about them Canucks!
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twins can't be traded, they are the only players on the team with a 'no move' clause, which is different
than a no trade clause, and they have 8 no trade contracts, which can be tinkered with if the g.m. or
the player is willing.
i think the twins would just retire and go home if there was any pressure at all to move them, they are
not interested, they would just retire.
And therein lies the problem. They have far too many no trade clause players. The Leafs had this problem before and it took a long time for them to recover from it. Of course, they turn around and offer long term, expensive contracts to Clarkson and Phaneuf so I don't know what to think. Those two players aren't necessarily horrible (although Clarkson hasn't played well for a lot of games), but they aren't worth the contracts they received.
yeah, the 'no trade' contracts are given out in return for a player agreeing to a 'little less' money, for the
security, but those contracts can be opened, and the player still has the option to 'choose' whether he
wants to go to certain teams or not.
clarkson trade was a bust, he isn't worth near the money he is getting, and we have never thought of
phaneuf as captain material or a good leader at all, after watching for a long time in calgary, he
is a good player, thats it.
I agree that Phaneuf should not be the Captain. I think that Lupul would have been a better choice.
I remember when Sundin didn't want to get traded mid-season (no trade clause), which would have helped the Leafs at the time. It would not have been so bad had he not signed with another team the next season, which pretty much flew in the face of what he said about not wanting to leave. The few months in between wouldn't have made a difference to him.
yes, players like sundin have to see what they would be doing for the betterment of their team, but
i guess there is a lot of emotion and sentiment as well, as he was there for a long time, but i agree
just like aginla did, he could see what was happening, 'it was time', those kinds of players must see that,
'it is the time', do it, it is good for both parties.
then, when sundin did come to vancouver, he was useless.
yes, thats good, its just a game, musn't treat it like life or death, forgive and forget, (well, at
least forgive) lol
Just when I thought the Canucks couldn't get any worse,....they did, and who beat them? It was Toronto....a fate worse than death.
Does Gillis also have a "no trade" contract? The Canucks need a complete overhaul and it's going to take a few years. Start by getting rid of Gillis
Does Gillis also have a "no trade" contract? The Canucks need a complete overhaul and it's going to take a few years. Start by getting rid of Gillis
Don't get excited, it was a mere 6 weeks ago the Canucks were in an 8 game winning streak with the same players. All teams go through spells like this, especially when key players are injured.
I'm not excited, I'm bored. The Canucks certainly have more talent than they are showing. I suspect part of the problem is that some players are saving themselves for Sochi. How much would you bet that Kesler plays with a lot more jump in Sochi than he's been showing with the Canucks for the last month or so? Do I care whether this group of overpaid bums wins or loses? Not until they start to care themselves.......:roll:
Sure it would have. For an old guy that doesn't really care about winning a cup, getting traded to a contender means a few more months of hard work. Sundin was quite happy to lay on a beach or golf during Apr/May/Jun so he could be more rested come September. Don't forget, winning a Stanley Cup is not as important to some Europeans. They are here for the bucks. Sundin was one of them.
its hard to give an opinion to your post juan because its full of generalities. i think kesler has been
playing great, but he doesn't have anyone to rise to his level, even booth is playing better. the team
has replacements who are trying their best, they are
trying to impress coaches and g.m. so they get called up again.
daniel definitely isn't performing well at all, and especially without henrik, and even he wasn't playing
as well as he did in the past.
he also plays his first three lines far too much, too many minutes, and sits the 4th line, i watch many
teams in this league, the majority of coaches can see, that with this high speed kind of hockey being
played now, 4 lines are needed, or they will burn out their best players, but he doesn't believe in
that analogy, so that is one part of his coach technique i don't agree with.
and to answer to jlm, this is a much different team that won a lot of games in december.
the suspension of torterella certainly didn't help anything at all, now he has to be a more humble person, how
can he stand above this group and act like he is their savior.
i like his coaching ability for sure, but now i don't have the respect i had for him before childish incident.
by the dressing rooms, that has tainted my opinion of him for sure.
i am definitely tired of gillis, as i stated before, i have listened to many many of his interviews on tv
and radio for a long time, excuses excuses excuses, never straight talk.
the latest trade he made makes sense, i like diaz, i see lots of upside about him, and weiss was the kind
of player who can be acquired any time.
there is 'no' general reason why this team isn't performing well right now, it is a mixture of many
things, but i don't agree with the 'saving' themselves for sochi thing, and they are not bums, they
don't feel good about their situation at all, they know their jobs are always at a level where they
must perform, or they will not stay in the nhl, they can't float, or cruise, or not care, that is so
transparent, and players like that don't even 'make' it to major junior, never mind the nhl.
kesler will play well in the olympics, but i will see it as a continuation of what he is doing now,
only he will be with much better players, which will help him play 'even' better.
Looks like the Canucks have an uphill battle to make the playoffs. Some connoisseur has predicted they will have to go 14-4-4 in the final stretch. I think they can do it but they better get started! -
Looks like the Canucks have an uphill battle to make the playoffs. Some connoisseur has predicted they will have to go 14-4-4 in the final stretch. I think they can do it but they better get started! -
well first of all they have to get their players back, healthy. kesler is having a mri today to
see how serious the injury is from blocking a shot in the olympics.
apparantly henrik sedin will not be at practice today or tomorrow, seems it is a personal reason, so
hope all is well in his life/family.
burrows has an injured hand, not sure if he will play tomorrow or not.
i think bieksa will be back.
canucks will have to play 'lightsout' from here on in, and it also depends how well or not others do
down the stretch.
trade deadline coming in a week, don't know what the canucks will do, if anything, maybe they will
be sellers, don't know why they would be buyers cause that is a position to be in if you are making
a run for the cup, not just trying to make the playoffs.
maybe they will sell a couple of top players and stock up on good draft picks or prospects, and an
established middle of the road player or two.
no news about tanev coming bAck yet.
How many games out of a playoff spot are they?
I just checked. They are presently 1 point out. 5 out of 6th. 4 back of LA who many suggested were an absolute sure bet for 2nd overall. They and the Canucks might miss the playoffs. If they need all those wins the the likes of Minnesota, Dallas and Pheonix will need to be burning up the league.
I just checked. They are presently 1 point out. 5 out of 6th. 4 back of LA who many suggested were an absolute sure bet for 2nd overall. They and the Canucks might miss the playoffs. If they need all those wins the the likes of Minnesota, Dallas and Pheonix will need to be burning up the league.
l.a. can't score goals, and are losing lots of games, until they play the canucks, then they get a win,
just a mental thing between the two teams i guess, left over from bad memories from playoffs and other
games, canucks lose confidence l.a. gain confidence when they play each other, because both of them
can't score goals, so somethings gotta give between the two teams, they both could be out of 8th
by playoff time.
we'll have to watch winnipeg too, coaching change put them on A roll, they are feeling good about
themselves right now, and only two out of 8th spot i think, (i haven't checked, just trying to remember),
i will have a good look at it later.
I don't really care at this point if canucks slide down and miss playoffs, not a good thing to say,
but they could get a much better draft pick, and they need good young players to come along in the
near future.
but they will take a sh*t kicking from the fans and media if they miss playoffs, but i don't really
see the difference between coming in 8th, and losing the first round, or coming in 12th and missing
playoffs, but get a good player in draft.
this season has been a mess, lots of injuries, coach acting out, poor play, a definite sign to gillis
to get busy and transition this team into a bit of a new look for next year.
i wonder if he will get very bold, and trade away edler and/or kesler, and stock up on good young
players, we'll see, he doesn't seem like the bold type to me.
what do you think.
Of course the playoffs are a whole new "ball game" and #8 has been known to upset #1 and the Canucks are the type of team that could do it. -
Of course the playoffs are a whole new "ball game" and #8 has been known to upset #1 and the Canucks are the type of team that could do it. -
absolutely not the way they are playing now, and not without a full team, if they get all of their
players back and begin to make a serious run for 8th spot, yes it is possible.
certainly can't agree with that analogy at this point.
when l.a. did that and beat canucks out in the first round, they had done exactly that, a coaching
change, a big fast improvement, and they began to play playoff hockey before playoffs came round,
so they were on a big roll when they met canucks in the first round. it can't just happen out
of nothing, it has to be a 'run' which starts earlier than playoff time.
they said on team 1040 that the 8th team has beaten out the first place team 'every' time there has been
an olympic year, i would like more serious information on how the standings were looking when that
happened.
minnesota has lost 'both' of their goalies, have to bring up a young fellow,
so it will be interesting to see just how they make out over the
next few weeks, as, if they begin to fall, they will be right with the
rest of the 'fighting for 8th' spot gang.
when i make that statement "anyone can win once playoffs start", it is
true, but one must know how everyone has been playing going into playoffs,
and realize just which teams are dangerous between first and eighth, and
l.a. was dangerous, and on a roll when they knocked canucks out, 8th
spot won't just all of a sudden knock out the first seed unless they are
playing lights out, AND, as smith was two years ago, the goalie is out
of his mind and stops everything, eg. chicago/phoenix, everyone could see
that smith was a super human at that time, and knew that he was a
force to reckon with, even though phoenix team wasn't that hot.
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i just saw torterella grovelling and stumbling around trying to take back something he said recently,
in which he had to contact team canada and straighten it out.
don't know what he said, but this is becoming a bit uncomfortable for me, i like his coaching but
i am definitely getting tired of his 'mouth'and 'actions' getting in his own way.
if anyone knows what he said, feel free to post it.
in which he had to contact team canada and straighten it out.
don't know what he said, but this is becoming a bit uncomfortable for me, i like his coaching but
i am definitely getting tired of his 'mouth'and 'actions' getting in his own way.
if anyone knows what he said, feel free to post it.