Scientists link Britain’s extreme weather to climate change

petros

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And creating such things as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch and the visible part of the patch is 7 times the size of Alaska (the invisible part is 90% of the patch). And creating that as the available fresh water on the planet has dwindled down to 0.003%. And as we are losing the largest amount of living things to extinction since 65 million years ago. It came back right? But the rate of extinction back then was 5 species per year and today's rate is something like 5000 times that while the speciation (et al) rate is only about 1500 a year.
Yeah, we're just hummin along and everything's peachy keen.





There never was good water.
 

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From the oil that made farming prosper like never before. We have easy food which gives us spare time to invent cool sh*t like penicillin.
........ that most of the planet doesn't have easy access to.

What makes it irrelevant? With age comes knowledge. If people are dropping dead at 40 they aren't reaching their intellectual peak and able to share that knowledge.
Think on it. As I said, people 25 years from now will be saying the exact same thing you said. "Oh, those poor people dying at a measly 85 years of age. They must have been living in abject misery."
Think on it.
Yeah, gardening is soooo tough. We supply our own veggies for the year and we're doing it the same way that's been done for thousands of years.
 

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Life expectancy is dropping from there being too much easy food and leisure time.

Penicillin isn't hard to come by. It's easy travel to get it is what they lack.

You can drive to get it because of oil. They have to walk.
 

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There never was good water.
So come up with better. And give it to the 7 billion others on the planet.

Life expectancy is dropping from there being too much easy food and leisure time.
Where? Doesn't look like it's dropping in Canada: https://www.google.ca/#q=Canada+lif...5ISk7QCdN1dvTQrt6T8bGCwaL7Hr-p0HQBd7uSNRAEAAA

Penicillin isn't hard to come by. It's easy travel to get it is what they lack.
Exactly. So what good is the technology to them?

You can drive to get it because of oil. They have to walk.
Thanks for supporting my comments. :)
 

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And they had wood.

Perhaps they should have left the forests alone from the start... and the oceans... and the wildlife.

New England was practically stripped of forests prior. Most all the forests in the White Mountains NH are new growth forests. I was shocked as heck to find that out on a trip there last summer.
We have more forest cover now than 100 years ago in Southern Ontario. Farmers took great pride in having removed all the tree from the land but then the winds came and they decided to let some grow back for windbreaks and firewood.
 

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Yeah, gardening is soooo tough. We supply our own veggies for the year and we're doing it the same way that's been done for thousands of years.


Yes that must be nice LG. For real. A family garden is a nice way to subsidize veggies.


But try living off it.

And creating such things as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch and the visible part of the patch is 7 times the size of Alaska (the invisible part is 90% of the patch). And creating that as the available fresh water on the planet has dwindled down to 0.003%. And as we are losing the largest amount of living things to extinction since 65 million years ago. It came back right? But the rate of extinction back then was 5 species per year and today's rate is something like 5000 times that while the speciation (et al) rate is only about 1500 a year.
Yeah, we're just hummin along and everything's peachy keen.


The plastic garbage patch sucks I agree. But its not polio and the black death. Its not burying half your children because of the flu.


99% of all species are extinct. That's been going on for billions of years.
 

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Yes that must be nice LG. For real. A family garden is a nice way to subsidize veggies.

But try living off it.
That's my point; we ARE living off it. We don't buy veggies. Every crop is produced from seeds the previous crop produced and occasionally we buy more seeds.

The plastic garbage patch sucks I agree. But its not polio and the black death. Its not burying half your children because of the flu.
I agree about those things. Unfortunately, it is killing sealife and so are the other 4 or 5 garbage patches and who knows, perhaps it is hatching its own nasty diseases.

99% of all species are extinct. That's been going on for billions of years.
Yes, I already said that, but this sort of extinction hasn't happened for 65 million years and never in the known past has it happened at such a fast rate. If it doesn't stop everything will be dead in about 130 years.
 

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I learned how from my dad who learned from his dad who learned from his dad who learned from his dad...

Corn mash has to be the grossest sh*t out there.
So basically you are saying you're Irish.
You don't have to use corn. No wonder barley sales are so good to people with pet horses. Having some hi-test aroumd would mean you could make your beer or wine any strength you wanted, consistently. Shirley Temple strength for that obnoxious uncle amd porch climber strength for everybody else
 

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You're just as bad as the greenies with you charts and stuff.......

Who reads those anyway?

Scientists...and those who read science related topics. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words...not even a phrase coined by a scientist, but rather a journalist, but true enough anyways.

I bet you and your fellow Warmists daren't read that GWPF article, eh? Is that a post-war Russian propaganda piece, too?

When it comes to Russian propaganda and false data, the Warmists are the World Champions.

I'm sure you'd call me a warmist, but I read it. For the most part I actually agree. I don't think you can say climate change caused the flooding and wet conditions this season over on your side of the pond. Weather has a distribution of normal events...now the distributions change so you can say something becomes more likely to happen in a warmer climate, that's not controversial. It is though to say climate change caused one seasons weather. Weather is far too variable to attribute like that. At some point in the future it may be possible to say that a seasons weather would not have been likely without significant climate change, but that would require huge changes in the distribution, think of shifting the bell curve very far in one direction.

However, there is one bone of contention I have with the article. The forecast had low confidence, only 25% in drier than normal conditions. That does not mean that they were calling a dry season likely. When they said the dryness was related to the NAO conditions they forecast, what is likely in such a case is drier than normal conditions. That is true. But that is not the same thing as saying drier conditions were likely to occur. It's a significant difference, and it's supposed to be why scientists use such careful wording in communications. If I had to review that statement, I would have suggested different wording to be sure. I don't think they communicated very clearly for the public.
 

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Does anyone remember the acid rain hysteria of the Seventies, Eighties and Nineties? I remember being taught about acid rain at secondary school, in which we were told that it was killing the trees on our planet and that, if we don't act, there will eventually be no trees left.

Strangely enough, it's been a hell of a long time indeed since there has been any mention of acid rain. It seems to have, riather suspiciously, been "forgotten" about.

I've got a feeling th Global Warming hysteria will go the same way by the end of this decade.


The acid rain hysteria of the Eighties and Nineties told us us the world's trees are being destroyed. Nobody mentions it now.
 

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Does anyone remember the acid rain hysteria of the Seventies, Eighties and Nineties? I remember being taught about acid rain at secondary school, in which we were told that it was killing the trees on our planet and that, if we don't act, there will eventually be no trees left.

Strangely enough, it's been a hell of a long time indeed since there has been any mention of acid rain. It seems to have, riather suspiciously, been "forgotten" about.

Yes, the rivers in Southwest Nova Scotia which have poor buffering capacity were damaged, including runs of endangered Atlantic salmon.

It's been forgotten, because of tougher environmental regulation that targeted the industrial emissions that create acid rain. The problem had a solution. :roll:
 

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What is sad to say if Global Warming wasn't true what is wrong in changing our ways to stop polluting it!
This is as useless of a subject to argue over just like religion.

I suppose our ozone layers getting thinner is a natural thing
 

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For the record, I don't post these articles by promotion. I do not even believe myself that we are necessarily experiencing all weather events as some human induced shift in climate. The point is simply to continue the conversation in the hopes of reaching a mutual consensus. It will take a long time to sort this all out, but it won't be for naught if everyone is open to a critical, but fair discussion.

 

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For the record, I don't post these articles by promotion. I do not even believe myself that we are necessarily experiencing all weather events as some human induced shift in climate. The point is simply to continue the conversation in the hopes of reaching a mutual consensus. It will take a long time to sort this all out, but it won't be for naught if everyone is open to a critical, but fair discussion.

 

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For the record, I don't post these articles by promotion. I do not even believe myself that we are necessarily experiencing all weather events as some human induced shift in climate. The point is simply to continue the conversation in the hopes of reaching a mutual consensus. It will take a long time to sort this all out, but it won't be for naught if everyone is open to a critical, but fair discussion.

I agree 100% that we are in an interglacial period with a major geomagnetic shift altering ocean currents and jet streams.