Prince Charles Calls Climate Deniers "Headless Chicken Brigade"
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A bit more about yer bit more.
(A subsequent study by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013) determined that over the past decade, approximately 30% of ocean warming has occurred in the deeper layers, below 700 meters. This conclusion goes a long way to resolving the 'missing heat' discrepancy. There is still some discrepancy remaining, which could be due to errors in the satellite measurements, the ocean heat content measurements, or both. But the discrepancy is now significantly smaller, and will be addressed in further detail in a follow-up paper by these scientists.)
Of course he's breaking thermodynamic law stuff explaining the positioning of the heat and he got no measurements, of course they and thermodynamics are unnecessary when talking about darkheat, invisable cousin to darkmatter and darkenergy.
And none of them will discuss the real mechanism cuz well it's real.
Sinking heat below seven hundred meters eh.
AND IF THAT ISN'T STUPID ENOUGH
Summary
So to summarise, Trenberth's email says this:
"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."
After reviewing the discussion in Trenberth 2009, it's apparent that what he meant was this:"Global warming is still happening - our planet is still accumulating heat. But our observation systems aren't able to comprehensively keep track of where all the energy is going. Consequently, we can't definitively explain why surface temperatures have gone down in the last few years. That's a travesty!"
Skeptics use Trenberth's email to characterise climate scientists as secretive and deceptive. However, when one takes the trouble to acquaint oneself with the science, the opposite becomes apparent. Trenberth outlines his views in a clear, open manner, frankly articulating his frustrations at the limitations of observation systems. Trenberth's opinions didn't need to be illegally stolen and leaked onto the internet. They were already publicly available in the peer reviewed literature - and much less open to misinterpretation than a quote-mined email.CLEARLY A CASE OF LAY PEOPLE JUST NOT ABLE TO COMPREHEND HOW SCIENCE WORKS. db
Of course in this case their peers would also be bullshapers.
The Missing Heat is in the Oceans and thus the energy source for cyclones and hurricanes.
Posted on November 9, 2013 by Louis Hissink
Lately some controversy has occurred over the location of the missing heat identified by climate science. The climate sceptical position seems to have gone down the road of dismissing the idea, mocking it by pointing out that as the ocean … Continue reading →
So Trenberth is correct, the missing heat is indeed in the oceans, but only in the top 500 metres or so, and in the form of a potential energy embedded in the electric charge separation formed by the transformation to EZ water, and not as a rise in temperature that all and sundry are searching for.
No, I've posted clear evidence probably over a thousand times on this website, but this was the first time I saw someone so clearly uninformed about thermometry, accuracy, precision, and their application. Try to find evidence that the satellites measuring the radiative imbalance are in error. The satellites have been corroborated by ground based instruments. In scientific terms, we call that a robust finding.
Well Doctor Hissink will be devastated by your discovery I'm sure. How could you have clear evidence for global warming, a non event. I'm not agruing with the very nice machines. I'm arguing that there is no shortage of prostituting scientists. We have a case for water bourne energy, but no extra heat at all. There is no radiative imbalance. If your evidence was clearly clear evidence there would be no argument would there.
Here's the science guy who disagrees with your ideas about the equipment.
(A subsequent study by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013) determined that over the past decade, approximately 30% of ocean warming has occurred in the deeper layers, below 700 meters. This conclusion goes a long way to resolving the 'missing heat' discrepancy. There is still some discrepancy remaining, which could be due to errors in the satellite measurements, the ocean heat content measurements, or both. But the discrepancy is now significantly smaller, and will be addressed in further detail in a follow-up paper by these scientists.)
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wow, DB, you've just shown an impressive amount of misunderstanding. And I am not easily impressed. Congrats. The way you twist contexts, you should be a politician or a supermarket tabloid reporter. lolA bit more about yer bit more.
(A subsequent study by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013) determined that over the past decade, approximately 30% of ocean warming has occurred in the deeper layers, below 700 meters. This conclusion goes a long way to resolving the 'missing heat' discrepancy. There is still some discrepancy remaining, which could be due to errors in the satellite measurements, the ocean heat content measurements, or both. But the discrepancy is now significantly smaller, and will be addressed in further detail in a follow-up paper by these scientists.)
Of course he's breaking thermodynamic law stuff explaining the positioning of the heat and he got no measurements, of course they and thermodynamics are unnecessary when talking about darkheat, invisable cousin to darkmatter and darkenergy.
And none of them will discuss the real mechanism cuz well it's real.
Sinking heat below seven hundred meters eh.
AND IF THAT ISN'T STUPID ENOUGH
Summary
So to summarise, Trenberth's email says this:"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."After reviewing the discussion in Trenberth 2009, it's apparent that what he meant was this:"Global warming is still happening - our planet is still accumulating heat. But our observation systems aren't able to comprehensively keep track of where all the energy is going. Consequently, we can't definitively explain why surface temperatures have gone down in the last few years. That's a travesty!"Skeptics use Trenberth's email to characterise climate scientists as secretive and deceptive. However, when one takes the trouble to acquaint oneself with the science, the opposite becomes apparent. Trenberth outlines his views in a clear, open manner, frankly articulating his frustrations at the limitations of observation systems. Trenberth's opinions didn't need to be illegally stolen and leaked onto the internet. They were already publicly available in the peer reviewed literature - and much less open to misinterpretation than a quote-mined email.
CLEARLY A CASE OF LAY PEOPLE JUST NOT ABLE TO COMPREHEND HOW SCIENCE WORKS. db
Of course in this case their peers would also be bullshapers.What he meant but didn't say is in quotation marks, clearly they don't know how grammar works.
The Missing Heat is in the Oceans and thus the energy source for cyclones and hurricanes.
Posted on November 9, 2013 by Louis Hissink
Lately some controversy has occurred over the location of the missing heat identified by climate science. The climate sceptical position seems to have gone down the road of dismissing the idea, mocking it by pointing out that as the ocean … Continue reading →
So Trenberth is correct, the missing heat is indeed in the oceans, but only in the top 500 metres or so, and in the form of a potential energy embedded in the electric charge separation formed by the transformation to EZ water, and not as a rise in temperature that all and sundry are searching for.
RealClimate: What ocean heating reveals about global warming
The climate is always changing but the reasons they state are alarmist at best.
Buy new appliances spend your life waiting for the sea to rise and on it goes..
There was a time when Alaska was tropical and the global landscape looked
very different and it will look different at some point in the future.
Those who believe if we cloister together and narrow our horizons we can save
ourselves. Good luck with that. For all plans we have one forest fire in Canada
for a single day would wipe out all the sacrifices made. It is called nature at work.
I do believe we should not deliberately pollute and we should not make a mess
but all this we can change the world stuff is nonsense
Buy new appliances spend your life waiting for the sea to rise and on it goes..
There was a time when Alaska was tropical and the global landscape looked
very different and it will look different at some point in the future.
Those who believe if we cloister together and narrow our horizons we can save
ourselves. Good luck with that. For all plans we have one forest fire in Canada
for a single day would wipe out all the sacrifices made. It is called nature at work.
I do believe we should not deliberately pollute and we should not make a mess
but all this we can change the world stuff is nonsense
Make a list and send me a copy and I'll try to convince the engineers and doctors who've mislead me into misunderstanding. There's two distinct camps of science Lester those that do actual science and those that beg to be believed without any clue or evidence where the heat could be hiding. I'll believe in global warming when palm trees sprout in Nova Scotia and I'm never going to pay one thin dime for global climate change remediation nor will I donate when the twits tell us we have to speed the earths rotation to bleed off the excess heat.
The climates changing, that's what it does, that's natural.
Well, Beav, you're in "good" company:Make a list and send me a copy and I'll try to convince the engineers and doctors who've mislead me into misunderstanding. There's two distinct camps of science Lester those that do actual science and those that beg to be believed without any clue or evidence where the heat could be hiding. I'll believe in global warming when palm trees sprout in Nova Scotia and I'm never going to pay one thin dime for global climate change remediation nor will I donate when the twits tell us we have to speed the earths rotation to bleed off the excess heat.
The climates changing, that's what it does, that's natural.
Top Seven Ridiculous Global Warming Hoax Quotes From Climate Change Deniers | Verbicide Magazine
Here's one for the myth believers:
Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says if you look on the left there's a thermometer for you.
Yeah really though...'there is no energy imbalance' according to DB's understanding of Hissink, but there is missing heat and it's stored in the oceans as thermal and potential energy according to Hissink.
Doesn't matter what form the energy is in, it can't be missing, much less found in two different forms if there wasn't an imbalance in the first place...
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I'm not surprised, as DB has shown that his physics misunderstanding means a survival blanket can't physically exist, much less work as a survival tool.
So, how does your theory accommodate the various 'imbalances' throughout millions of years of history?
... Yeah, thought not
Make a list and send me a copy and I'll try to convince the engineers and doctors who've mislead me into misunderstanding. There's two distinct camps of science Lester those that do actual science and those that beg to be believed without any clue or evidence where the heat could be hiding. I'll believe in global warming when palm trees sprout in Nova Scotia and I'm never going to pay one thin dime for global climate change remediation nor will I donate when the twits tell us we have to speed the earths rotation to bleed off the excess heat.
The climates changing, that's what it does, that's natural.
How about this- there's several reasons for climate change and possibly two of them are happening at the same time. There are now 7 billion people breathing in the atmosphere and that in itself warms it up a bit, not to mention 7 billion people pissing which must have some small impact. -
In exactly the same way, you didn't think about it at all. It doesn't matter what forcing increases by 1 watt per square meter. One watt is still one watt. It's pretty simple math, add up all the forcings. One extra watt coming in is exactly the same as one less watt going out. :roll:
In the big picture, all of the techno-babble does not change the fact that this cyclical trend has been active (and remains so) for millions of years.
Attempting to assess causation to anthro sources is a fools errand... hell, it wasn't so long ago that the 'science' pointed to the Global Warming hysteria that would result in the desertification of the globe, yet here we are, with overall cooling
Attempting to assess causation to anthro sources is a fools errand... hell, it wasn't so long ago that the 'science' pointed to the Global Warming hysteria that would result in the desertification of the globe, yet here we are, with overall cooling
Yeah, well if you're willing to cast aside evidence as techno babble, then I can see how you would think it's factual that there is nothing more than some assumed natural cycle at work.
I think anyone with two brain cells could at least admit that the human animal is at very least a contributing factor, without having to discard the possibility other factors are also at play.
These multinational political decisions were to mobilize and fixate the masses interest around the religion of Planetary Salvation even providing a Satanic central player in the demonized gas C02. There is no doubt in my mind that the entire program was designed to enhance population reduction by simply leaving those masses unprepared for actual climate change.In fact massively wasteing material and wealth working for remediation 360 degrees from the real potential climate disasters.
You mean it is not some socialist plot to prevent us stalwart Canadians from tearing up (read, improving) our boreal forests and thereby living warmly in our 3000 square-foot homes?
JLM, you'll end up on an Alberta no-fly list.
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Exactly how does that preclude man's role in the process?
That just breaks me right up, I haven't flown in 20 years and have no plans to do so in the next 20.-