A prime case for some "Singapore justice"

[JLM]

3 girls charged in discarded ashes case - Calgary - CBC News

 

[gerryh]

you really seem to have a hard on for beating kids lately.

 

[JLM]

you really seem to have a hard on for beating kids lately.

"Spare the rod and spoil the child".


Just obstreperous ones! -

 

[Goober]

Two 15 year old's- Hangin, at the local kindergarten, teach em young like.
13 year old- Life.

 

[SLM]

The ashes were dumped on the pavement and the pouch tossed to the side. According to investigators, some of the girls thought the whole thing was a big joke.
"The disturbing part of it was that when they were told what had happened — and they knew it happened because of the news — the one girl actually thought it was kind of funny, like she didn't take it seriously," said Det. Theresa Garagan.

I wouldn't go so far as to endorse caning as a punishment but the attitude displayed is extremely disturbing. There needs to be some component of the consequence that these girls face that has a hope of driving that point home, if possible, in my opinion.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I don't understand. While I agree these girls should be punished for stealing, what's the big deal about the ashes?

 

[SLM]

I don't understand. While I agree these girls should be punished for stealing, what's the big deal about the ashes?

Yeah, right. I don't buy for a second that you don't know why it would be considered a big deal. If you don't, perhaps try just stating the reason why.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeah, right. I don't buy for a second that you don't know why it would be considered a big deal. If you don't, perhaps try just stating the reason why.

Corpse worship. Very unhealthy.

 

[SLM]

Corpse worship. Very unhealthy.

Lack of empathy. A less than desirable trait.

It's not about the treatment of the ashes per se but the complete disregard of the symbolism of the loss. Personally I think ashes, like intact human remains, should be interred but finding humour and laughing in that scenario doesn't speak well for the character of the girl. Now, neither does stealing a car speak to character, but a car is a thing and what it represents is easily replaced. Human remains, not so much.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Lack of empathy. A less than desirable trait.

Yeah, I just hate unempathetic thieves.

It's not about the treatment of the ashes per se but the complete disregard of the symbolism of the loss.

I agree. We need a special law that says people who lost someone dear should not be stolen from.

Personally I think ashes, like intact human remains, should be interred but finding humour and laughing in that scenario doesn't speak well for the character of the girl.

Personally I don't much care what folk do with remains. I'm just amused that just about every religion in the world emphasises that the spirit is what counts, not the body. Then people make a fetish of the body. As far as the girl's character, you expected maybe deep appreciation of emotional suffering from a thief?

Now, neither does stealing a car speak to character, but a car is a thing and what it represents is easily replaced. Human remains, not so much.

Human remains can be replaced with a pound of hamburger. As I said, corpse worship. Talk about messed-up values.

 

[JLM]

I don't understand. While I agree these girls should be punished for stealing, what's the big deal about the ashes?

Ask the relatives of the deceased. To begin with the ashes WERE'NT theirs. There's also an outside chance the deceased didn't want their ashes dumped in the exact spot the perps chose to dump them.

Lack of empathy. A less than desirable trait.

It's not about the treatment of the ashes per se but the complete disregard of the symbolism of the loss. Personally I think ashes, like intact human remains, should be interred but finding humour and laughing in that scenario doesn't speak well for the character of the girl. Now, neither does stealing a car speak to character, but a car is a thing and what it represents is easily replaced. Human remains, not so much.

I thought the "Singapore" treatment was fitting in this case because of the shock value, the short time taken to administer it and low cost of administration and the fact that very very few people come back for a second dose. It doesn't get any better than that.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Ask the relatives of the deceased.

Ask anyone who's ever had anything stolen from them. "Did you want this to be stolen?" "Well, no, not really."

To begin with the ashes WERE'NT theirs.

That's pretty much the definition of "stealing."

There's also an outside chance the deceased didn't want their ashes dumped in the exact spot the perps chose to dump them.

The deceased don't want anything.

 

[JLM]

Ask anyone who's ever had anything stolen from them. "Did you want this to be stolen?" "Well, no, not really."


That's pretty much the definition of "stealing."


The deceased don't want anything.

I know we are dealing mainly with emotions here, but believe it or not emotions are a big part of some people's lives BUT the main issue is they had NO BUSINESS tampering with something that doesn't concern them. 25 lashes each and a few ounces of salt. -

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I know we are dealing mainly with emotions here, but believe it or not emotions are a big part of some people's lives BUT the main issue is they had NO BUSINESS tampering with something that doesn't concern them. 25 lashes each and a few ounces of salt. -

OK, can we generalise this? A separate crime or at least enhanced penalties for people who steal something that, in the opinion of the jury, is REALLY REALLY emotionally important to the victim of the theft?

For example, I have a deep, emotional, and symbolic attachment to money.