Rebirth Through Baptism

[gerryh]

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." (Galatians 5:22-23 NIV)

Really, well, I have never said I was perfect.


Also, the man that you quoted, had no kind things to say about Homosexuals. As a matter of fact, he was quite clear in his condemnation.

Would you like me to quote your hero saul where he goes off the deep end on a whole congregation?

 

[darkbeaver]

Motar;1858311]"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1 NIV)

There can be no spirits from other than God, even false prophets work for creation, that John guy was an idiot.

I am sorry to hear that you have no choice, Gerry. There is freedom in Christ.

Christ is Lord and Master of all. That being the case there is no possibility of freedom, and I have that from notable theological experts of the past and present. Christ is free in you you are never free of Christ, such is the nature of the force.

 

[Motar]

Really, well, I have never said I was perfect. Also, the man that you quoted, had no kind things to say about Homosexuals. As a matter of fact, he was quite clear in his condemnation. Would you like me to quote your hero saul where he goes off the deep end on a whole congregation?

We could change the subject if you like, Gerry. But what would it profit us?

 

[Cliffy]

Christ would never speak in this way.

Does not god love all his children, even those with Turrets Syndrome? (not that I am insinuating that gerry has turrets)
The Creator created all variety of humans, including gays, atheists, Muslims and Budhists, etc. Out of seven billion people on this palnet there are about two billion Christians. Many of the other five billion have a prayer: Lord, please save me from your followers.

 

[gerryh]

We could change the subject if you like, Gerry. But what would it profit us?

I'm not talking about Pope Francis...... dumb a$$, I'm talking about your hero Saul, the tax collector. The Homophobe. The pretender.

 

[Cliffy]

I'm not talking about Pope Francis...... dumb a$$, I'm talking about your hero Saul, the tax collector. The Homophobe. The pretender.

You forgot misogynist. Paul is the reason literalists are up the creek without a paddle and blind folded.

 

[Spade]

Bishop Spong thinks Saul repressed his homosexuality.

 

[gerryh]

Bishop Spong thinks Saul repressed his homosexuality.

Doesn't really matter. What matters is the fact that HE is the reason for the persecution of Homosexuals by the "Christian" community.

 

[Spade]

Bishop John Spong on the bible as a source of truth - YouTube

 

[Cliffy]

Doesn't really matter. What matters is the fact that HE is the reason for the persecution of Homosexuals by the "Christian" community.

That is not how they see it. They think it is a disease of the mind that can be cured through faith in Christ. If they don't agree to take the cure, then they persecute them.

 

[cj44]

Really, well, I have never said I was perfect.


Also, the man that you quoted, had no kind things to say about Homosexuals. As a matter of fact, he was quite clear in his condemnation.

Would you like me to quote your hero saul where he goes off the deep end on a whole congregation?

gerryh: do your priests also have such a view of the Apostle Paul? At some point it would do you well to comprehend all of Scripture. You do not know as much as you think you do. This is clear from your comments which are way off the mark. Even a secular study of the Bible as a book would discount your rantings. Do you turn other books on their head as well. I cannot imagine how you might summarize Pride and Prejudice or even Charlotte's Web. You would have Wilbur spinning a web and Charlotte rolling in the mud.

 

[Spade]

Spong on Paul - YouTube

If you look at the interviewer turn red with discomfort and suppressed rage, it is not hard to imagine similar minds several hundred years ago calling for a burning.

 

[gerryh]

gerryh: do your priests also have such a view of the Apostle Paul? At some point it would do you well to comprehend all of Scripture. You do not know as much as you think you do. This is clear from your comments which are way off the mark. Even a secular study of the Bible as a book would discount your rantings. Do you turn other books on their head as well. I cannot imagine how you might summarize Pride and Prejudice or even Charlotte's Web. You would have Wilbur spinning a web and Charlotte rolling in the mud.

Of course the Priests don't have the same view as I do, but that really is besides the point. I don't consider the Catholic Church to be infallible, and as far as I am concerned, The Church made a mistake with the tax collector and revelations.

I'd address the rest, but I have found in the past that it is a waste of time.

 

[Cliffy]

My dear Cliffy, I beg to differ. There is One and only One. The gate is narrow.

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

" For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account"

Cliffy, I tell you what I see. I see the Word of God pursuing people. God himself is after you. He is chasing you, for I am certain. I see on these forums the Holy Spirit has gone out and proclaimed His Word of Truth. I hope He catches you. Then you will find yourself speechless. Which in itself will be rather miraculous.

Sorry, but I think you sound like this:

Balloon squeak - YouTube

 

[Motar]

Of course the Priests don't have the same view as I do, but that really is besides the point. I don't consider the Catholic Church to be infallible, and as far as I am concerned, The Church made a mistake with the tax collector and revelations. I'd address the rest, but I have found in the past that it is a waste of time.

The Church will disappoint us, Gerry. Christ never will.

 

[JLM]

The Church will disappoint us, Gerry. Christ never will.

I'd say you are half right, but I'm not absolutely sure that Christ is still doing anything!

 

[Motar]

The Church will disappoint us, Gerry. Christ never will.

You can speak privately in a message to cj or myself if you like, Gerry.

 

[cj44]

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

 

[Cliffy]

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

I, like many others, have taken that statement literally and done just that. After talking with hundreds of people who did just as that passage promises, we had all come to different understanding of what the truth is, or so it seemed. Some found the Mormons, some the Baptists, some the Baha'i, some Buddhism, some Catholicism, some atheism, etc. This puzzled me to no end, so I asked for clarity: to each in his own understanding was the reply.

Now, you can accept that people come to the spirit according to their understanding or you can judge everybody who doesn't see things your way, but you run the risk of breaking the law that Jesus laid down, judge not lest ye shall be judged. If you wish people to respect you and your beliefs, then it would only be politie to grant them the repect you desire. Otherwise, you are running afoul of your own beliefs which, I believe, is being hypocritical.

 

[Motar]

Now, you can accept that people come to the spirit according to their understanding or you can judge everybody who doesn't see things your way, but you run the risk of breaking the law that Jesus laid down, judge not lest ye shall be judged.

It's true, Cliffy. God meets us all individually right where we are (incarnation of Christ). But He loves us too much to leave us like this. His work of spiritual restoration in our lives is ongoing (indwelling of the Spirit). Is it possible that you are experiencing conviction (work of the Spirit) and confusing it with judgment or disrespect?