Neil Young blasts Harper government for allowing development of Alberta oilsands

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This is about treaty rights folks...


Jan. 20: Neil Young replies to the Globe's pipeline column

Gary Mason, in his column Complicated, Like Neil Young Himself (Jan. 17) writes that I got some facts wrong about where production from the oil sands goes.

To put this in context, we were discussing pipelines. If pipelines are completed through the U.S. and Canada, the pipeline through Western Canada would send oil directly to China. The Keystone XL pipeline through the U.S. and Canada would serve oil to China and other world markets.

Both pipelines would necessitate great expansion of Alberta’s tar sands, destroying the homeland of the First Nations guaranteed under treaties and creating CO2 emissions most of the world’s scientists agree would practically guarantee a temperature rise on Earth of 2 degrees. That increase would cause catastrophic damage to the ecosystem.

First Nation treaties are legal agreements that would prevent this world environmental catastrophe. That is why we say honour the treaties.

Mr. Mason contends most Canadians have no choice “but to drive around in clunkers fuelled by gasoline. They don’t have a rock star’s bank account.”

I was making the point that there are better ways to fuel the future. My vehicle runs on biomass, a fuel the federal government has identified as a great future fuel. I travelled to the Alberta tar sands from the West Coast and then went on to Washington using that fuel in my electric car’s generator to make the point.

Mr. Mason may be right when he says that per day, the CO2 coming from the tar sands is half the CO2 emitted from every car in Canada. I don’t think that’s anything to be proud of. I don’t think the world’s scientists do either.

Jan. 20: Neil Young replies to the Globe's pipeline column - The Globe and Mail


Now, read this carefully.

THERE ARE NO NATIVE TREATY RIGHTS TO THE OILSANDS.

Treaty Texts - Treaty No. 8

AND WHEREAS, the said Commissioners have proceeded to negotiate a treaty with the Cree, Beaver, Chipewyan and other Indians, inhabiting the district hereinafter defined and described, and the same has been agreed upon and concluded by the respective bands at the dates mentioned hereunder, the said Indians DO HEREBY CEDE, RELEASE, SURRENDER AND YIELD UP to the Government of the Dominion of Canada, for Her Majesty the Queen and Her successors for ever, all their rights, titles and privileges whatsoever, to the lands included within the following limits, that is to say:
Commencing at the source of the main branch of the Red Deer River in Alberta, thence due west to the central range of the Rocky Mountains, thence northwesterly along the said range to the point where it intersects the 60th parallel of north latitude, thence east along said parallel to the point where it intersects Hay River, thence northeasterly down said river to the south shore of Great Slave Lake, thence along the said shore northeasterly (and including such rights to the islands in said lakes as the Indians mentioned in the treaty may possess), and thence easterly and northeasterly along the south shores of Christie's Bay and McLeod's Bay to old Fort Reliance near the mouth of Lockhart's River, thence southeasterly in a straight line to and including Black Lake, thence southwesterly up the stream from Cree Lake, thence including said lake southwesterly along the height of land between the Athabasca and Churchill Rivers to where it intersects the northern boundary of Treaty Six, and along the said boundary easterly, northerly and southwesterly, to the place of commencement .
AND ALSO the said Indian rights, titles and privileges whatsoever to all other lands wherever situated in the Northwest Territories, British Columbia, or in any other portion of the Dominion of Canada.
TO HAVE AND TO HOLD the same to Her Majesty the Queen and Her successors for ever.
 
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Ron in Regina

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I was making the point that there are better ways to fuel the future. My vehicle runs on biomass, a fuel the federal government has identified as a great future fuel. I travelled to the Alberta tar sands from the West Coast and then went on to Washington using that fuel in my electric car’s generator to make the point....

I'm wondering why Chief Allan Adam needed to be paid 55,000 dollars by a California company to sit beside Young on this "tour"?

Also, 5 tour buses sat on 9th ave in Calgary RUNNING for over 2 hours while young was doing his concert.

From: http://www.leaderpost.com/entertainment/Gormley+powers+Neil+Young+life+music/9398470/story.html

In saying that "rock stars don't need oil" because he drives an electric
car, where is this man's common sense in the Weight of the World?
If there is a uniquely oil-dependent activity, it is Rockin' in the Free
World.

From the energy needed to create metal, plastic and carbon fibre
guitars all the way to the lowly plastic guitar picks, oil-derived products
are everywhere in music. There are vinyl records, plastic CDs, torqued-up
amplifiers, computers and light shows, all powered by fossil fuels. This is
not to overlook hugely power-consuming concerts with audience and rock
star travels, tour buses, private jets and even downloads of mp3s made
possible by the Internet, which is powered by fossil fuels and nuclear power.

Without oil, Young would be a lonely, cold and permanently unplugged rock
star. He might be a less hypocritical one as well.
 

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Colpy, of course there are no treaty rights that specifically reference the oilsands.

Why would there be?

And why are people taking the slippery slope argument that he is against all oil development?
 

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Colpy, of course there are no treaty rights that specifically reference the oilsands.

Why would there be?

And why are people taking the slippery slope argument that he is against all oil development?

These DO specifically mention the area of the oilsands, and the Indians ceded all control over those lands to the Crown.

They have no treaty rights in this matter.

NONE.

Neil is a great musician, and either an idiot or a liar or both outside of his area of expertise.
 

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From: http://www.leaderpost.com/entertainment/Gormley+powers+Neil+Young+life+music/9398470/story.html

In saying that "rock stars don't need oil" because he drives an electric
car, where is this man's common sense in the Weight of the World?
If there is a uniquely oil-dependent activity, it is Rockin' in the Free
World.

From the energy needed to create metal, plastic and carbon fibre
guitars all the way to the lowly plastic guitar picks, oil-derived products
are everywhere in music. There are vinyl records, plastic CDs, torqued-up
amplifiers, computers and light shows, all powered by fossil fuels. This is
not to overlook hugely power-consuming concerts with audience and rock
star travels, tour buses, private jets and even downloads of mp3s made
possible by the Internet, which is powered by fossil fuels and nuclear power.

Without oil, Young would be a lonely, cold and permanently unplugged rock
star. He might be a less hypocritical one as well.

On the other hand, saying that anyone whon uses oil is not allowed to criticize any process producing oil is pretty silly.
 

gerryh

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On the other hand, saying that anyone whon uses oil is not allowed to criticize any process producing oil is pretty silly.


No, but when that someone states how "carbon friendly" they are, all the while spewing more carbon than the majority of individuals in Canada, then I would say their hipocracy is fair game.
 

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No, but when that someone states how "carbon friendly" they are, all the while spewing more carbon than the majority of individuals in Canada, then I would say their hipocracy is fair game.

I disagree myself. He obviously goes to further lengths than most Canadians to limit his oil usage.

Besides which you're attacking teh messenger. It's not like Neil Young is alone in his beliefs. They are quite widely held.
 

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These DO specifically mention the area of the oilsands, and the Indians ceded all control over those lands to the Crown.

They have no treaty rights in this matter.

NONE.

Neil is a great musician, and either an idiot or a liar or both outside of his area of expertise.

I think you're misunderstanding something here.

If he wasn't referring to treaty rightsin the correct context it would be obvious by now and reflected in the mainstream media.
 

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I think you're misunderstanding something here.

If he wasn't referring to treaty rightsin the correct context it would be obvious by now and reflected in the mainstream media.

Ummm...

I can read.

I doubt that the idiots of the CBC can, especially when in dewy-eyed thrall to an old lefty Canadian rock icon......

The treaty was pointed out by Ezra Levant, of Sun News.

Yet another reason we need that network.

You did read the treaty??
 

Ron in Regina

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I disagree myself. He obviously goes to further lengths than most Canadians to limit his oil usage.

Besides which you're attacking teh messenger. It's not like Neil Young is alone in his beliefs. They are quite widely held.

Than most Canadians? Really? Limiting his oil usage, or limiting his carbon footprint?
I'm not attacking the messenger, but laughing at his hypocrisy is all. OK, maybe laughing
at his hypocrisy might be attacking him, but it's sooooooo blatant that it's so hard not to
laugh at the guy.
 

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I disagree myself. He obviously goes to further lengths than most Canadians to limit his oil usage.

Besides which you're attacking teh messenger. It's not like Neil Young is alone in his beliefs. They are quite widely held.


Further lengths? Really? and what would those "further lengths" be? He drives a caddy that used more oil products to build than the majority of cars out there now. He had 5, count them 5 tour buses idling outside on 9th ave in Calgary during his entire concert. That is OVER 2 hours with only one bus occupied and that was by his personal chef. He admits to jetting around the country to get to concert dates. The "electric caddy" was a publicity stunt only for this "ban the oil sands" crusade he is presently on.

Editorial: Neil Young’s hypocrisy

Young did admit a couple of years ago to being “hypocritical” because “I fly around, I do all these things in jets and go everywhere …”
One of his claims to “trying to be part of the solution” has been to develop a 1959 Lincoln Continental that runs on batteries and cellulosic ethanol.
It was the car he drove to the oilsands last summer to shoot a documentary designed to portray the oilsands as a blight upon the Earth.
Trouble is, because cellulosic ethanol is hard to find, Young had to have fuel for it shipped to wherever his car was en route. That’s hardly environmentally friendly.
According to an Alberta filmmaker hired to film aerial footage, the production focused on shooting Neil’s LincVolt cruising against a backdrop of open pit oilsands mines.
What they didn’t shoot, despite entreaties, were oilsands areas that had been reclaimed or extraction operations that use newer and far greener technology.
They also didn’t get any footage of his diesel-burning crew bus.
 

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I disagree myself. He obviously goes to further lengths than most Canadians to limit his oil usage.

Besides which you're attacking teh messenger. It's not like Neil Young is alone in his beliefs. They are quite widely held.

If I had his bucks, why I would be in the Green.
 

Ron in Regina

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I wonder what the cost will be for the eventual decommission of the battery/cellulosic ethanol
1959 landyacht when it gets scrapped? I'm assuming much more than several Hummers
combined. That's pretty funny for a, "Look at me being all green!" sort'a thing....
 

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Prominent Canadians support Neil Young's anti-oilsands campaign

Neil Young's tour raised more than $500,000

More than 20 notable Canadians have penned a letter to support musician Neil Young following his concert tour to raise money for a First Nation fighting oilsands expansion in northern Alberta.

The group includes creative and performing artists, authors, scientists, a lawyer, and Order of Canada recipients.

Actor Neve Campbell, Booker-prize-winning author and Officer of the Order of Canada Michael Ondaatje and musician Gord Downie of the rock group The Tragically Hip are among those who have signed the letter.

It says that Young's tour raised more than $500,000 to help the Athabasca Chipewyan band pay for legal fees to protect its traditional land north of Fort McMurray, Alta.

The letter also says that Canada must decide if it wants to support First Nations rights and protect the environment.

"The time has come for Canada to decide if we want a future where First Nations rights and title are honoured, agreements with other countries to protect the climate are honoured, and our laws are not written by powerful oil companies. Or not."

"Instead of focusing on Neil Young's celebrity, Prime Minister Harper should inform Canadians how he plans to honour the treaties with First Nations," the letter said.

Campbell said in a written statement that while she has always been proud to call Canada her home, "now as a Canadian I feel deeply ashamed to see that our government has allowed the selfish profiteering of powerful oil companies, and blatantly ignored the health, well-being, and lives of our country's First Nations, as well as of the well-being of our world’s climate."

Downie of The Tragically Hip said, "I stand in support of the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nations and all Canadians who find themselves with no voice in our present version of democracy, who are trying to come up with the entry fee that gets them a seat at the table where their pollution future is being discussed."

The letter was signed by more than 20 notable Canadians, including actor Neve Campbell, writers Joseph Boyden and Michael Ondaatje, dancer and member of the Order of Canada Margi Gillis and climate scientist Dr. Danny Harvey.

"I applaud Neil Young's efforts to raise awareness of these critical issues. Further expansion of tar sands operations is simply incompatible with our climate obligations and moral responsibilities," said climate scientist Dr. Danny Harvey.

Young's tour was designed to draw international attention to the Canadian government's failure to respect treaties made with First Nations, and to highlight the growing environmental impacts in Alberta from oil sands development. The tour sparked a national conversation that featured Prime Minister Stephen Harper and oil executives criticizing Young but ignoring the issues he raised about the consequences of violating Treaty rights in the pursuit to further exploit the oil sands.

It is clear that First Nations bear the brunt of environmental impacts from oil sands development. For parts of the year 80% of the traditional territory of the ACFN and Mikisew Cree is inaccessible due to oil sands development and studies show 30% increase in cancer rates of the residents of Fort Chipewyan. Further south, the Beaver Lake Cree First Nations claim 20,000 treaty violations.

The impacts to climate change from oil sands development are striking. Greenhouse gas emissions from Canada's oil sands now exceed the total emissions from 85 countries and are rising. More oil sands growth would make it impossible for Canada to meet its goal of a 17% reduction of carbon pollution from 2005 levels by 2020, meaning that Canada would not meet its international obligations to reduce emissions.

Prominent Canadian Artists and Scientists Sign On to Stand With Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation In Oilsands Expansion Fight - Press Release - Digital Journal
 

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My my, hey hey
Oil Sands are here to stay
All of your tantrums
Won't make 'em go away
My my, hey hey

Hey hey, my my
Oil sands will never die
No matter how much
You whine and sigh
Hey hey, my my
 

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All I'm seeing are potshots here.

Funny potshots but potshots nonetheless.
It's all he deserves. He has little knowledge, his facts are wrong, and he is using his fame garnered in a field unrelated to oil, the environment, or energy policy to tout his incorrect facts and ignorance.