Christianity and Religion

[Cliffy]

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If you've ever wondered how it is that I find relevant Scripture to post on this site so quickly, it is due to the teaching and reminding of the Spirit, regular Bible study and a good online Bible search tool : )

I'm sure you are sincere in what you are offering and that the path you are on is the right one for you. But I am on my own path and one that I am most comfortable with. It makes no sense to me to change paths when the one I am on is leading me to where I want to go. I respect that you have your way to relate to life and I ask that you respect mine by not trying to change it.

 

[Motar]

I'm sure you are sincere in what you are offering and that the path you are on is the right one for you. But I am on my own path and one that I am most comfortable with. It makes no sense to me to change paths when the one I am on is leading me to where I want to go. I respect that you have your way to relate to life and I ask that you respect mine by not trying to change it.

My previous post, Cliffy, was an explanation of the different mindsets before and after Christ. Please understand that this is not an individual phenomenon. Ask other Christians if they experienced a similar change of mind.

By the way, I had the same BC and AD experience with music as I did with other art forms (eg. poetry). Out of respect for you and your path, I won't share that here unless you request it : )

 

[gerryh]

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." (Romans 12:2 NIV)

I don't conform, and yet I'm told I am wrong, and by some, that I will be going to hell.

Cliffy, both you and Gerry overlooked this rhetorical question in a previous post of mine: "Do you recognize the Spirit's influence in biblical understanding?" Without the internal, eternal renovation that comes to us in Christ, we regard the Bible like any other book and fail to grasp its import and meaning. The Spirit is essential to our understanding:

"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (John 14:26 NIV)

So, since my experience, MY revelation, does not conform to yours then I obviously don't understand. 2 can play that game, would you like me to play also?

Genuine Christians the world over and across history acknowledge a "renewing of their minds" at their "transformation" in Christ. If you read any of my writing from BC (before Christ) and compare it with my writing AD (since new life in Christ), you will note a decidedly different outlook, tone and content. The BC poetry was gritty, angry, fearful and corporal, while the AD poetry is hopeful and spiritual. I would be glad to send you a sample if you are interested.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." (John 3:6 NIV)

There we are, I wondered how long it would be before the "true Christians", "real Christians", "Genuine Christians" accusation would be thrown out there. Thanks for being true to form.

If you've ever wondered how it is that I find relevant Scripture to post on this site so quickly, it is due to the teaching and reminding of the Spirit, regular Bible study and a good online Bible search tool : )

as I've said before, I get my revelations and understanding direct from the source. I don't take it from some man that "claims" to have a direct line to God. On the same note, just because I claim to have a direct line, doesn't mean I expect you to believe me.

God works his wonders in different ways. The Holy Spirit shows the path that best suits the individual, and Christ lends a helping hand when truly needed.

 

[L Gilbert]

I think all this talk about logic and reasoning is misplaced. Religions are based upon issues that have no basis in reality. If they were based in reality, there would be irrefutable evidence, and yet there is none. All that supports them is hearsay. That leaves religions to be the results of philosophy; a buncha ifs and maybes .... period. It's perectly normal to use reasoning and logic in philosophy, but with the realisation that religions are just structures containing ifs and maybes.

 

[gerryh]

I think all this talk about logic and reasoning is misplaced. Religions are based upon issues that have no basis in reality. If they were based in reality, there would be irrefutable evidence, and yet there is none. All that supports them is hearsay. That leaves religions to be the results of philosophy; a buncha ifs and maybes .... period.

Then why jump in to the conversation? Why not just let the "Christians" have their fun in their imaginary world? Does it hurt you in any way that these discussions are taking place?

 

[L Gilbert]

Then why jump in to the conversation? Why not just let the "Christians" have their fun in their imaginary world? Does it hurt you in any way that these discussions are taking place?

Told you several times; I engage in religious discussions for fun.

 

[gerryh]

Told you several times; I engage in religious discussions for fun.

Trolling, got ya.

 

[L Gilbert]

Ever try sticking to the topic, troll?

 

[gerryh]

Ever try sticking to the topic, troll?

That's why you and your wife are so much fun... but of you are too stupid to even realize that you are trolling.

 

[L Gilbert]

Sure, gerry, whatever you say. No-one's as bright as you, as wise as you, as strong as you, as influential as you, etc ad nauseum. We get it.

Anything worth seriously discussing is fun for us. If you want to call fun, trolling, that's up to you. Bitterly judging others like you seem to do constantly is not worth discussing, so you can babble on with your ad hominems if you want but I'll leave you to it. However, if you want to get back to the topic, fine with me.

 

[Motar]

I don't conform, and yet I'm told I am wrong, and by some, that I will be going to hell. So, since my experience, MY revelation, does not conform to yours then I obviously don't understand. 2 can play that game, would you like me to play also? There we are, I wondered how long it would be before the "true Christians", "real Christians", "Genuine Christians" accusation would be thrown out there. Thanks for being true to form. as I've said before, I get my revelations and understanding direct from the source. I don't take it from some man that "claims" to have a direct line to God. On the same note, just because I claim to have a direct line, doesn't mean I expect you to believe me. God works his wonders in different ways. The Holy Spirit shows the path that best suits the individual, and Christ lends a helping hand when truly needed.

I'm sorry to hear that, Gerry. I know you don't want to hear this but genuine Christians will not condemn you. No game, Friend. This is the most important matter in life. Concerning true and false disciples, Gerry, Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21 NIV) We are admonished by Christ to be shrewd as snakes and innocent as doves for good reason. Weeds and wheat grow together until the harvest. (Matthew 13:24-30 NIV)

 

[gerryh]

Concerning true and false disciples, Gerry, Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

so, you are saying that that God will condemn some of his children to eternal damnation and hell fire, is that right?

 

[Motar]

so, you are saying that that God will condemn some of his children to eternal damnation and hell fire, is that right?

No, Gerry. A genuine Christian has no insight or authority to condemn you. Fellowship or separation from God is God's domain alone.

 

[gerryh]

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21 NIV)

No, Gerry. A genuine Christian has no insight or authority to condemn you. Fellowship or separation from God is God's domain alone.

Then tell me, what does the above mean? Be exact and be clear.

 

[Motar]

Then tell me, what does the above mean? Be exact and be clear.

We condemn ourselves, Gerry. When we reject Christ, we choose separation from God. Jesus made this choice to experience temporary separation from God when He embraced the cross in order to reconcile us:

"About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). (Matthew 27:46 NIV)

This is what condemnation (separation from God) looks like. We are born into this and die in it unless reconciliation with God takes place.

 

[gerryh]

We condemn ourselves, Gerry. When we reject Christ, we choose separation from God. Jesus made this choice to experience temporary separation from God when He embraced the cross in order to reconcile us:

"About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). (Matthew 27:46 NIV)

This is what condemnation (separation from God) looks like. We are born into this and die in it unless reconciliation with God takes place.

Separation from God is our own doing, not God's. I say that God will accept and forgive ALL of mankind, what I'm seeing from your posting is that God will NOT forgive everyone.

 

[cj44]

Gerryh,
How is it that you do not conform? And who is telling you that you are going to hell?

I'm sure you are sincere in what you are offering and that the path you are on is the right one for you. But I am on my own path and one that I am most comfortable with. It makes no sense to me to change paths when the one I am on is leading me to where I want to go. I respect that you have your way to relate to life and I ask that you respect mine by not trying to change it.

Cliffy,
You will either believe as I do or I am going to bomb you with assorted hams.

 

[MHz]

There are thousands of bloody Muslimes marching past down the street outside waving flags and banners right now. This march has caused inconvenience to locals because all the roads that they are marching down have had to be closed. Yet British Legion marches aren't allowed. I wish I had a machine gun ready. They're a vile lot.

It is pretty easy to see that you are the vile one.

 

[petros]

A guy could have oodles of fun with a can of bacon fat in the ME

The attitude of Western Christians is why Christians in the ME are suffering. They are paying the price on your behalf.

 

[MHz]

We condemn ourselves, Gerry. When we reject Christ, we choose separation from God. Jesus made this choice to experience temporary separation from God when He embraced the cross in order to reconcile us:

"About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). (Matthew 27:46 NIV)

This is what condemnation (separation from God) looks like. We are born into this and die in it unless reconciliation with God takes place.

At that time Jesus was complaining to God for not taking His life but leaving Him in pain on the cross.

Then tell me, what does the above mean? Be exact and be clear.

It means that the ones in the Church that claim Christ is Lord will not be alive for the 1,000 year reign but they will be in the grave with all the other sinners.