Are you looking for an excuse for your pedophilia?
Now that is truly stupid because it would be a block of ice anyway.
Computer pioneer and Nazi codebreaker Alan Turing is given posthumous royal pardon
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Are you looking for an excuse for your pedophilia?
Now that is truly stupid because it would be a block of ice anyway.
The logical end of that line of argument is that nobody should be pardoned, ever, for anything. Yes he broke the law, but it was a bad law that caused grievous harm to many people, and the fact that it's no longer the law reflects that, now we know better. You've also tried to argue that we shouldn't do this, but the pardon is a quite explicit application of contemporary standards and mores to history, we (society I mean) do that kind of thing all the time. That line of argument produces the conclusion, for example, that we should not judge the anti-Semitism that produced extermination camps around the middle of the previous century as a bad thing, because it was considered normal and acceptable by the people who implemented it at the time. That's intellectually paralyzing, eventually you'll end up unable to justify any judgment about anything in the past.
What is right and wrong doesn't come with an expirery date and it doesn't come
with a new date either. Apartide was wrong when it started and wrong when it
finished and this case is no different. Britain brought some good things to the
world but those great things were diminished because they brought slavery and
tyranny to millions over the centuries.
Here is a man who serves his country with distinction and he gets treated the way
he did. People in Britain should be ashamed to deal with this as a pardon they
should deal with it as a we are sorry for the criminal act we committed. Any
person with sensitivity period should hang their head in shame over this. The
arrogance to suggest a pardon when the accused was violated and did nothing
wrong. I am surprised the State had the gaul to even bring the subject up.
Anyone who believes having an empire at all is well for the reasons of sensitivity
I won't use the insult. Merry Christmas. Britain did give us ****ens and his stories
of sensitivity so there is some redeeming value there at least.
with a new date either. Apartide was wrong when it started and wrong when it
finished and this case is no different. Britain brought some good things to the
world but those great things were diminished because they brought slavery and
tyranny to millions over the centuries.
Here is a man who serves his country with distinction and he gets treated the way
he did. People in Britain should be ashamed to deal with this as a pardon they
should deal with it as a we are sorry for the criminal act we committed. Any
person with sensitivity period should hang their head in shame over this. The
arrogance to suggest a pardon when the accused was violated and did nothing
wrong. I am surprised the State had the gaul to even bring the subject up.
Anyone who believes having an empire at all is well for the reasons of sensitivity
I won't use the insult. Merry Christmas. Britain did give us ****ens and his stories
of sensitivity so there is some redeeming value there at least.
The Holocaust was not normal, nor accepted by many. It was the first Genocide on a massive industrial scale. Even the War effort of supplies took second place for material and trains to keep the slaughter going.
How? By referendum? By voting for the candidate that promises to rescind it? The point is (for obvious reasons) you and I can't just go disobeying laws because WE think they are wrong. I personally thing every law should be revisited every 10 years or so and re evaluated and amended or revoked as necessary or to remain if it's good.
Civil Disobedience is part of an open society, Usually even the radicals know where
the boundries are, and they creep right up to the edge. Civil disobedience is breaking
the law, however it the type of law breaking that acts as a release valve; The difference
is in a civil society it demonstrates dissatisfaction and that is the end of it, In more
radical societies it gets out of hand and creates many problems if not deaths.
Repression of a people and attitudes serves the interests of no one and history demonstrates
that. We had governments dominate the free spirit of people in the middle ages and it
ended in witch hunts etc. Now we see it in the Middle East as it plays out again and again.
the boundries are, and they creep right up to the edge. Civil disobedience is breaking
the law, however it the type of law breaking that acts as a release valve; The difference
is in a civil society it demonstrates dissatisfaction and that is the end of it, In more
radical societies it gets out of hand and creates many problems if not deaths.
Repression of a people and attitudes serves the interests of no one and history demonstrates
that. We had governments dominate the free spirit of people in the middle ages and it
ended in witch hunts etc. Now we see it in the Middle East as it plays out again and again.
Agreed, but the point was that the people who did it thought it was acceptable, and it was certainly legal in their terms, they made the rules about it. Blackleaf's line of argument taken to its logical extreme would prevent anyone from condemning them for it now. I've seen the argument many times in defense of the indefensible, it's one of those arguments that sounds superficially reasonable but doesn't survive closer inspection.
To be who you are without being persecuted by laws such as were present once, that caused this mans suicide.
Many love freedom as long as they agree with it. When it comes to those that are not the same, some then have an issue with freedom.