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petros

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Didn't Iran announce its intention of building new reactors this last week? It's my understanding that commercial use requires enrichment to about five percent. Medical use requires enrichment to twenty percent. And fission weapons require enrichment to around 90 percent. It's also my understanding that it is not all that difficult to further enrich medical isotopes to weapons grade.
A uranium bomb requires no enrichment at all.
 

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Imo Iran will be able to complete the nuclear fuel cycle, enrich to just one step away from developing what goes into a warhead, and a series of events will be set in motion that effectively destroys the Nuclear Nonproliferation Agreement. Each new nuclear weapons state means that those who perceive danger from that state will be forced to become nuclear weapons states themselves. Look for Saudi Arabia to become the next candidate.
You are 'out to lunch', Iran gets to keep 50% of the 20% medical grade and the rest gets converted back to 5% power plant quality. 20% is a long way from the 90% bomb material grade and Iran is shutting down the most advanced centrifuge plant she has.
Iran doesn't need or want a nuclear bomb, their military is defensive first and foremost so what do you expect them to do, nuke themselves to safe themselves. Iran had the green light to go nuclear when the US was the law of the land. Since 1979 the only thing the US has done had been an act of revenge and anybody going along with it is supporting that revenge and nothing else. The mutual pacts the US and GB have means they are one and the same on the world stage and one of them should lose the right to vote on any international issue.

Saudi and a few others are going to be in the ICC once the rebels in Syria are unarmed and given exile in exchange for full confessions. Of all the Nations in the area that need reform at the highest level Saudi is right at the top of the list and to stop that she want 'the bomb'.

It's also my understanding that it is not all that difficult to further enrich medical isotopes to weapons grade.
Why produce something that can be targeted with a nuclear weapon before Iran could launch it. It would not be a first strike weapon as is the case with Israel and the US who would use theirs in a preemptive first strike.

Lets see, Iran has no nukes and the US has thousands, who am I supposed to fear most?
Obviously Iran. I read it on the web so it must be true.
 
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Medical isotopes require manufacture by bombardment in a reactor.

Nope- They no longer need to use a reactor for most if not all isotopes. Recall the shortage and how countries used new tech to create isotopes.
 

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You are 'out to lunch', Iran gets to keep 50% of the 20% medical grade and the rest gets converted back to 5% power plant quality. 20% is a long way from the 90% bomb material grade and Iran is shutting down the most advanced centrifuge plant she has.
Iran doesn't need or want a nuclear bomb, their military is defensive first and foremost so what do you expect them to do, nuke themselves to safe themselves. Iran had the green light to go nuclear when the US was the law of the land. Since 1979 the only thing the US has done had been an act of revenge and anybody going along with it is supporting that revenge and nothing else. The mutual pacts the US and GB have means they are one and the same on the world stage and one of them should lose the right to vote on any international issue.

Saudi and a few others are going to be in the ICC once the rebels in Syria are unarmed and given exile in exchange for full confessions. Of all the Nations in the area that need reform at the highest level Saudi is right at the top of the list and to stop that she want 'the bomb'.


Why produce something that can be targeted with a nuclear weapon before Iran could launch it. It would not be a first strike weapon as is the case with Israel and the US who would use theirs in a preemptive first strike.


Obviously Iran. I read it on the web so it must be true.

Do you know what taqiyya is? Iran perceives itself to by under threat from Israel and the US. Dissimulation is permitted by explicit religious doctrine. If Iran wasn't building a bomb why would it be enriching uranium to levels much greater than necessary for commercial use? One must be presumed to intend the foreseeable consequences of his actions.

I think the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is doomed, and would expend no further energy in attempting to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons technology. America has issues to deal with at home.

Having said that I think you are mistaken on Iran's possession of a first strike capacity. You are thinking within the box concerning the delivery mechanism.
 

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Do you know what taqiyya is? Iran perceives itself to by under threat from Israel and the US. Dissimulation is permitted by explicit religious doctrine. If Iran wasn't building a bomb why would it be enriching uranium to levels much greater than necessary for commercial use? One must be presumed to intend the foreseeable consequences of his actions.

I think the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is doomed, and would expend no further energy in attempting to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons technology. America has issues to deal with at home.

Having said that I think you are mistaken on Iran's possession of a first strike capacity. You are thinking within the box concerning the delivery mechanism.
20% is commercial grade, if they didn't have it they would have to leave the country for some simple medical tests.

Like how the 3% can loot 97% of the money before the US dollar is abandoned by the world? That is a dark cloud with much silver in it's lining.

You need about 20 large warheads that all get through or it wouldn't be worth starting. Any war game senerio says you should not just wound somebody with nuclear weapons. All Iran has to do to win is survive 3 weeks from the first strike and her defenses are set to last a lot longer than than that. All the US and Israel have is the war of words in the press and we know they already own that propaganda machine.
 

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20% is commercial grade, if they didn't have it they would have to leave the country for some simple medical tests.

It's my understanding that a commercial reactor producing power for civilian uses requires uranium enriched to the five percent level. Research grade uranium requires enrichment to about twenty percent. Theoretically uranium enriched to the twenty percent level could be weaponized, but wouldn't be practical because of the quantity of uranium required and attendant design problems.

Like how the 3% can loot 97% of the money before the US dollar is abandoned by the world? That is a dark cloud with much silver in it's lining.

Okay Dokay.

You need about 20 large warheads that all get through or it wouldn't be worth starting. Any war game senerio says you should not just wound somebody with nuclear weapons. All Iran has to do to win is survive 3 weeks from the first strike and her defenses are set to last a lot longer than than that. All the US and Israel have is the war of words in the press and we know they already own that propaganda machine.

Only one bomb is needed to destroy Israel. Ballistic missiles aren't necessary for delivery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgW_nlBrVAQ
 

petros

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I'm not one you're not one, and nobody around here is. They can take care of themselves. We're not obligated.
 

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Perhaps it would be advisable to not fear the country that is much like Canada and which doesn't threaten Canada.
Yet.
You'd be amazed how much Americans on another board I go to hate us. They say anytime they want our resources they can take them no matter how we feel about it. Oil of course is the resource they most want and the US has been known to attack countries for oil.
 

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Yet.
You'd be amazed how much Americans on another board I go to hate us. They say anytime they want our resources they can take them no matter how we feel about it. Oil of course is the resource they most want and the US has been known to attack countries for oil.

They have assimilated the prerogatives of empire and American exceptionalism. if anything, their propaganda's has worked on the population.