well you guys have gone from flogging a dead fish to flogging each other . Carry on .
Should Ford Resign?
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You do realize that there is a BIG difference between the federal and or provincial governments and a city government, right? Actually, that was a stupid question, it is painfully obvious you don't since you used the comparison.
Well then, if you are a TO resident, do something about it. If you're not willing to then STFU and quit whining. At this time, there is no legal way to recall a TO mayor. Suck it up buttercup and bounce him next election.
Yup, you do. Every 4 years you get to choose. At this point in time, if the electorate fu cked up and chose wrong they have to wait 4 years for the next time.
Again, stop whining about it and do something about it. At this point in time you are out of luck until the next city election.
Obviously there are differences. Does that mean that local politicians should face less accountability though?
Lol, so people are not allowed to talk about how they think things ought to be around here?
How do you think it should be? Should we have the power to recall politicians?
The differences are such that there is no comparison between provincial/federal "leaders" and city "leaders". The way they are chosen is completely different.
Talking about it, no problem. Incessantly whining about it is a different matter.
I don't feel that the cost involved justifies recall at this time. For the most part our politicians aren't that bad. I have found that those that whine about recall the loudest are the ones that are pi ssed off about not having their favorite candidate or party elected.
Sometimes people make you repeat things many times on this forum.
Nobody claimed that the mayor is elected in the same way as other leaders. I am just pointing out that we have ways to remove other leaders, so why shouldn't their be a way to remove the mayor too in a situation as extreme as this?
This is a pretty special case seeing as pressure to get rid of him is coming from all sides of the political spectrum, even Conservative cabinet ministers.
It has really reached beyond left/right politics. It shouldn't be easy to remove someone, but I think that this situation really shows that there needs to be some threat that you could be removed if things get bad enough.
Yeah, but can you imagine the grub bill?
"No comparison"? They are all at the whim of the peoples' choice.
No, "we", as in the general electorate, do not have a way to remove any leader. The examples you gave are how a party or party's could get rid of a party leader or a governing party. No where near the same as getting rid of a Mayor part way through his elected term.
No, the Prime Minister or Premiers are NOT at the whim of the "peoples choice". The "people" don't elect either.
This civics class is fun and all, but I think you are smart enough to understand what we are getting at.
We all know that processes are different, but the mechanism is there. Through our elected representatives, party leaders can be changed, elections can be forced, leaders are not given 4 years of carte blanche. If Rob Ford was Premier or Prime Minister, it would take a very large group of politicians who don't care at all about their political careers to keep him in power rather than just the stubbornness of one person, which seems to be enough to at least keep people civil.
The current system we have for Mayor has shown itself to be a bit susceptible to people who have absolutely no shame. I think that you always need to have some form of check in place just in case something like this happens.
How do you figure that? Didn't Harper get the most votes in the riding he represents in Calgary? We just had a classic example in B.C. where the premier lost the vote count in her former riding and had to run in another riding where she had to win the vote count.
The PM pr Premier would still be a member of parliament or the Legislature that they were elected to. To dump a Party leader the Party it's self would have to hold a convention. It would not be as easy as you are making it out to be AND it is in no way a comparison to dumping Ford part way through his term. Ford was directly elected by the general population. Neither the Prime Minister or the Premier were directly elected by the general populace to their position.
Then do something about it if you think it is that necessary, but like I have already said, I think it is a waste of money AND I think it would be abused.
Ya, the people in my riding elected Harper to be their MP in Parliament. The members of the Conservative Party elected him Leader of their party and as leader, in Canada, he becomes Prime Minister if his party holds the most seats. You get it yet? At no time does the general electorate choose who becomes Prime Minister.
I never said it was easy, but the mechanism is there.
I would like to see a recall process precisely because Mayor is directly elected. There isn't really any other legitimate way to remove him from office.
I would definitely do what I can to make it happen, but since this is a discussion forum, the only thing I can do here is discuss it.
The process shouldn't be easy, so that would make it hard to abuse. If the mayor has really lost the confidence of the city though, it is more than worth whatever it takes to make that right.
No, there is no "mechanism" to remove a "Prime Minister" or a "Premier", which was your original comparison.
Well, ya, there are actually multiple ways. It isn't the same as a recall election, but they do not have 4 years of carte blanche.
I say again, there is no real mechanism to remove a Premier or Prime Minister. Better yet, tell me ONE instance of a Premier or Prime Minister being "removed".
and actually, all I hear from the left right now is how Harper has "carte Blanche, and before him from the right how Chretien had "carte blanche".