Tragic toll: 500 US kids die annually from gunshots, 7,500 injured, research finds

[Missplaced]

I apparently missed the thread where you had it out with petros over stats! Which debate was that one?

Hi Karrie!

I've never "had it out" with Petros, he seems to feel that what passes for "acerbic wit" in his mind is of incredible interest to folks here at CC.

"A rose is a rose"....an NPD is anNPD...

 

[skookumchuck]

Careful Colpy you may incur the wrath of Petros for engaging in a discussion involving data and statistics!

What people don't want to talk about is the underlying reasons, the causality behind these kinds of things. That would require that they look at themselves and the "culture" they embrace. Far better to blame guns period than look at the genesis of the problem.

I've owned and used firearms for nearly thirty years and I've had my storage methodology examined by police, never lost or had a firearms stolen and never permitted anyone who I didn't know to use my firearms {under my close personal supervision}.

There are fundamental issues regarding character, integrity and common sense involved in this issue and while "mental illness" and the "availability/access to" arguing points have some validity it is the unpleasant fact that few want to admit, that we built the house we live in and if anyone thinks that pointing a finger at these nebulous rationales proves a thing, they should be living in Cairo because they'd be familiar with denile..

So, you are perfect and everyone else is not, best you fix that.

 

[Missplaced]

So, you are perfect and everyone else is not, best you fix that.

No I sincerely apologize if I led anyone to believe I was perfect, I'm not and haven't met anyone who is. I do believe I'm entitled to my opinion and if I cite my own behavior as an example and that's unpalatable to you I'd offer that the problem lies with your interpretation/reaction to my contributions.
I'll be happy to fix it.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

A tragic statistic indeed. But who owns the responsibility?

Would it be fair to say that your entertainment industry is filled with violent movies and television programming? Would it be fair to say that the world recognizes the American penchant for aggressive behavior up to and including killing hundreds of thousands of children in foreign countries? Would it be fair to say that Americans embrace the spirit and credo of "Walk softely and carry a big stick?

Would it be fair to say that Americans own the responsibility for the experience of children killing each other as learned at the knee of their parents?

Would it be fair to say that despite the fact that the world is allegedly going to hell in a handcart, and kids today are horrible monsters, gun homicides have actually been dropping in the United States in the last 20 years, and are in fact at about half the rate of 1990?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

 

[BaalsTears]

I'm very proud to say that in 2011, there were just 124 deaths caused by firearms in the UK.

There were just 98 in 2007.

And that's not just of children - which runs into the hundreds in the US - but of everybody.

That's why so many English girls are groomed each year for a career in prostitution by non-English men who pass them around.

 

[Zipperfish]

No I sincerely apologize

Not good enough. Apologize again, but try to be more wretched.

 

[WLDB]

No. Most gun accidents involving children boil down to simple curiosity, not a desire to kill. They see something, they play with it. It stands to reason that in the most heavily armed nation in the world, there will be more cases where children come into contact with unsecured firearms, and thus more instances where they accidentally shoot themselves or eachother.

True. I remember doing just that around 6-7 years old. Didnt shoot anyone, or myself obviously. It was a .22 and had a lock on it so I couldnt have loaded it even if there had been bullets around. Still, it is odd how easily accessible it was for me at that age.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That's why so many English girls are groomed each year for a career in prostitution by non-English men who pass them around.

A low gun homicide rate causes sex trafficking?

Interesting theory. Could you develop it some?

 

[WLDB]

I can't get too chocked up about dead American children while they murder a hundred times that number all over the world every year. They are such a hypocriticle bunch of retards, sometimes.

And the children are to blame for that?

 

[karrie]

True. I remember doing just that around 6-7 years old. Didnt shoot anyone, or myself obviously. It was a .22 and had a lock on it so I couldnt have loaded it even if there had been bullets around. Still, it is odd how easily accessible it was for me at that age.

If it had a lock on it, it wasn't accessible at all, was it? If you couldn't do anything with it, then it's safe.

 

[L Gilbert]

Tragic toll: 500 US kids die annually from gunshots, 7,500 injured, research finds

500 deaths? 7500 injuries? Gotta love sensationalism, huh?
"Falls and Car Accidents Cause Most Injuries in U.S. Children
Published: Dec 11, 2008"
then
"Through the first half of this decade, about 9.2 million kids younger than 20 visited an emergency department for an unintentional injury and about 12,175 died each year, according to a report by the CDC's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control." (from Falls and Car Accidents Cause Most Injuries in U.S. Children )
500 deaths compared to 12,175? 7500 injuries as opposed to 9.2 million? But we should get all panicky about gun related crap and brush off the accidents due to falls and crashes, right? Blaming guns, vehicles, etc. is a red herring. People kill people period.
Fµcking idiocy abounds.

 

[petros]

Hi Karrie!

I've never "had it out" with Petros, he seems to feel that what passes for "acerbic wit" in his mind is of incredible interest to folks here at CC.

"A rose is a rose"....an NPD is anNPD...

Jack!!! You came back to love me and you brought roses? How have you been you ol' jackass?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Blaming guns, vehicles, etc. is a red herring. People kill people period.
Fµcking idiocy abounds.

Um. . . according to your own stats, accidents kill people. So maybe not-period.

 

[Walter]

No. Most gun accidents involving children boil down to simple curiosity, not a desire to kill. They see something, they play with it. It stands to reason that in the most heavily armed nation in the world, there will be more cases where children come into contact with unsecured firearms, and thus more instances where they accidentally shoot themselves or eachother.

Wrong. The teenagers are out to hurt and kill. Take a look at Chicago; those are mostly teens shooting at teens on purpose.

 

[petros]

Yo Yo Yo

 

[DaSleeper]

More data to ponder

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

 

[L Gilbert]

Um. . . according to your own stats, accidents kill people. So maybe not-period.

How many accidents are caused by humans rather than those that aren't? My bet would be the stats would be much higher for human-caused accidents.

 

[Locutus]

tic tock hiccup

 

[L Gilbert]

Wrong. The teenagers are out to hurt and kill. Take a look at Chicago; those are mostly teens shooting at teens on purpose.

Yeah, we should round up all teens and off them. That's Chicago, so it must be an applicable comment about everywhere else, right?

More data to ponder

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

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[Sons of Liberty]

You can modify stats all you want, bottom line it is a tragedy.