Fed up with Islam Yet???

[DaSleeper]

There's a Taliban battle cry painted on side of Toronto mosque and taxpayers paid for it.

Toronto taxpayers given the bill for jihadi mural : Prime time : SunNews Video Gallery

 

[tober]

You do not understand the first thing about Islam.

The word "Islam" means "Submission", to the will of Allah, as expressed by Mohammed in the Koran.

Mohammed is the example. He was a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, and a war monger.

To a Muslim fundamentalist. there is no authority outside Islam. Sharia is the law.

Unlike Christianity, in which the philosophy recognizes secular authority ..."Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

Islam requires jihad.....struggle, to a fundamentalist, war on the infidel, as directed by the Koran.

Islam is both religion and politics.

As a philosophy, is is absolutely as dangerous as fascism, Naziism, Communism.......or any other fanatical political philosophy you wish to mention.

Not according to Muslim friends. I do know that the Book of Leviticus in the Bible can be interpreted as being just as cruel as you call Muslims. Non-extremists choose not to accept those interpretations. Only the extremists on each side wish death and destruction to everyone on the other side. Wishing death and destruction on all Muslims is no different than the fascists who wished the same thing on Jews in WW2.

 

[MHz]

They also undergo Israeli counter terrorism training which probably renders them completely useless for serve and protect.

Perhaps the training involves teaching the most sensitive locations on the body.
You can't convince me the methods are any different than the US applied to people in Iran from 1953-1979 or in South America and the death squads that were the graduates of the School of the Americas.
Since the styles are the same it looks like the US is just outsourcing who teaches it, rather than Americans getting paid to teach torture it is the IDF. The who isn't as important as the what when torture is front and center.

 

[tober]

He doesn't think communism is dangerous he embraces it.

Communism is dangerous? To whom|? Got an example?

 

[Colpy]

Not according to Muslim friends. I do know that the Book of Leviticus in the Bible can be interpreted as being just as cruel as you call Muslims. Non-extremists choose not to accept those interpretations. Only the extremists on each side wish death and destruction to everyone on the other side. Wishing death and destruction on all Muslims is no different than the fascists who wished the same thing on Jews in WW2.

Do not put words in my mouth.

ISLAM directs jihad. ISLAM sets up the monster Mohammed as example. ISLAM celebrates the genocide of Jews in the End Days. ISLAM demands the subjugation of woman. ISLAM allows the sexual use of little girls. ISLAM means submission.

Individual Muslims may, or may not take on any or all of those dangerous tenets, but they are there.

Far too many Muslims either act them out, or are unwilling to condemn them.

Did you know the Muslim that infiltrated the Toronto 18 can not attend any Mosque in Toronto other than the one run by his father???

Ezra Levant Talks To Mubin Shaikh - YouTube

Go to 04:30.

Care to tell me again how this is not a dangerous philosophy???

 

[tober]

Do not put words in my mouth.

I don't recall doing so. Didn't mean to, if that is your take.

Care to tell me again how this is not a dangerous philosophy???

Yeah. You're wrong in ascribing it to "Muslims" generally. Ascribe it to Muslim extremists and that's another story entirely. There are enough true stories around to make Christianity look just as bloodthirsty. Many of them are more recent - the two world wars and The Holocaust for example. Add to that the Crusades and there are enough stories around to keep Muslims hating Christians and Christians hating Muslims forever. If you want to believe and spread those myths, nobody can prevent you.

 

[Colpy]

I don't recall doing so. Didn't mean to, if that is your take.



Yeah. You're wrong in ascribing it to "Muslims" generally. Ascribe it to Muslim extremists and that's another story entirely. There are enough true stories around to make Christianity look just as bloodthirsty. Many of them are more recent - the two world wars and The Holocaust for example. Add to that the Crusades and there are enough stories around to keep Muslims hating Christians and Christians hating Muslims forever. If you want to believe and spread those myths, nobody can prevent you.

Christianity had nothing to do with either world war, nor did it have anything to do with the Holocaust...........Naziism was pagan, not Christian.

Go back 1,000 years, and you have a point. In fact, 1,000 years ago Muslims were far ahead of Christian society..........but Christianity, based on a philosophy of choice, has progressed by leaps and bounds, while Islam, based on a philosophy of "submission" has only slid backwards.

Wishing death and destruction on all Muslims is no different than the fascists who wished the same thing on Jews in WW2.

Which insinuates I wish that. Untrue. However, if you did not mean it that way, fine, NP.

Communism is dangerous? To whom|? Got an example?

100 million dead in the 20th century.

 

[Colpy]

Underage marriages 'agreed' - ITV News

 

[tober]

Quote: Originally Posted by tober
Yeah. You're wrong in ascribing it to "Muslims" generally. Ascribe it to Muslim extremists and that's another story entirely. There are enough true stories around to make Christianity look just as bloodthirsty. Many of them are more recent - the two world wars and The Holocaust for example. Add to that the Crusades and there are enough stories around to keep Muslims hating Christians and Christians hating Muslims forever. If you want to believe and spread those myths, nobody can prevent you.

Christianity had nothing to do with either world war, nor did it have anything to do with the Holocaust...........Naziism was pagan, not Christian.

Christianity as a faith or ideology? I didn't say it did. But both world wars were primarily Christian nation versus Christian nation, Japan excepted, of course.

Go back 1,000 years, and you have a point. In fact, 1,000 years ago Muslims were far ahead of Christian society..........but Christianity, based on a philosophy of choice, has progressed by leaps and bounds, while Islam, based on a philosophy of "submission" has only slid backwards.

You missed my point. Both Islam and Christianity have been fed stories for centuries to justify each hating the other. Continuing to do so now does us all a dis-service. "Muslims" per se are not the threat. Extremist and power hungry leaders are. Hating only provides them with recruits.


Quote: Originally Posted by tober
Communism is dangerous? To whom|? Got an example?

100 million dead in the 20th century.

Blaming that on "communism" is hyperbole. Instead why not blame it on the capitalism? Capitalists continually opposed communism every time people tried to accept it? The old communism is dead and gone. The notion that communism is dangerous sounds like tired old Military Industrial capitalists scared to death that business might fall off in a more peaceful world. They are scared to death that their old boogey man who they used to make $Billions is losing his effect. How do you frighten the public and war monger without a boogey man?

Care to tell me again how this is not a dangerous philosophy???

A dangerous philosophy or an extremist philosopher? Read American extremist anti-communist material some time - and America claims to be civilized. Read the Old Testament in Scripture, starting with the Book of Leviticus.

 

[Colpy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tober

Christianity as a faith or ideology? I didn't say it did. But both world wars were primarily Christian nation versus Christian nation, Japan excepted, of course.

Once again, Naziism was pagan. And Christianity was not the driving force on either side. It was not a religious conflict. Nobody went over the top screaming "Jesus loves me"..............too many go into jihad screaming "Allu Akabar"

You missed my point. Both Islam and Christianity have been fed stories for centuries to justify each hating the other. Continuing to do so now does us all a dis-service. "Muslims" per se are not the threat. Extremist and power hungry leaders are. Hating only provides them with recruits.

Then your point is wrong. There are dangerous ideologies, like fascism, and Naziism. and when you add to a political philosophy has at its very foundation a theological call to warfare against all others..........it is very very dangerous. Islam is the only modern religion with anything like the call to jihad.

Blaming that on "communism" is hyperbole. Instead why not blame it on the capitalism? Capitalists continually opposed communism every time people tried to accept it? The old communism is dead and gone. The notion that communism is dangerous sounds like tired old Military Industrial capitalists scared to death that business might fall off in a more peaceful world. They are scared to death that their old boogey man who they used to make $Billions is losing his effect. How do you frighten the public and war monger without a boogey man?

People NEVER tried to accept communism.....it is simply outside of human nature.

For God's sake, read a little history. Start with the collectivization of agriculture in the USSR.......

Joe Stalin killed at least 10 million of his own people.

Mao killed AT LEAST 50 million of his own people.

At LEAST 2 million murdered in North Korea .

Communism is the only ideology nearly as dangerous as Islam, as it is a humanist religion that requires faith in the perfectability of man by his own hand.....carried out whatever the cost.

The idea that you blame that on capitalism is almost as ridiculous as calling America a fascist nation.



BTW, Christian capitalism combined with democratic liberty has made more people over a wider area relatively rich and free than any other system.

Think about that.

That is because capitalism is based on self-interest. When hobbled by democracy.........it works very well.

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" quickly degrades to the Soviet norm "I'll pretend to work, you pretend to pay me"

 

[tober]

Once again, Naziism was pagan. And Christianity was not the driving force on either side. It was not a religious conflict. Nobody went over the top screaming "Jesus loves me"..............too many go into jihad screaming "Allu Akabar"

You’re ignoring my point. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and they don’t all wake up every morning praying to kill someone. The extremists do, and that is who your focus should be on, not an entire religion. All extremists, BTW, not just Muslims.

Then your point is wrong. There are dangerous ideologies, like fascism, and Naziism. and when you add to a political philosophy has at its very foundation a theological call to warfare against all others..........it is very very dangerous. Islam is the only modern religion with anything like the call to jihad.

Among the extremists. Answer this question, if you wish. Are you against all Muslims or just the extremists?

People NEVER tried to accept communism.....it is simply outside of human nature.

Did you not notice what happened in every Central American country that went communist? All of a sudden there are US arms being shipped in, US black operations being reported, the local gangster is suddenly promoted in Washington, DC, to the rank of freedom fighter and on and on. Communism is an economic theory. Many communist regimes have ended up as dictatorships, but there are lots of capitalist dictatorships. The west (primarily America) picks fights with communist regimes then calls them violent.

For God's sake, read a little history. Start with the collectivization of agriculture in the USSR.......

Let’s stay on topic. The statement under debate was that communism is dangerous. Present tense. 21st Century. Not early 20th Century. Stalin is irrelevant.

Joe Stalin killed at least 10 million of his own people.

Mao killed AT LEAST 50 million of his own people.

At LEAST 2 million murdered in North Korea .

In the 20th Century. Not today. So we don’t even have to argue your points. None of them are on topic.

Communism is the only ideology nearly as dangerous as Islam, as it is a humanist religion that requires faith in the perfectability of man by his own hand.....carried out whatever the cost.

The idea that you blame that on capitalism is almost as ridiculous as calling America a fascist nation.

If you want to argue history, the European history of war is about who gets the gold. In other words economics, power, land. Communism was a struggle for those things. Where is peace since the USSR collapsed? How many of today’s wars are caused by communism? Your anti-communist antagonism seems just part of your overall pro-American ideology. Your anger and denial about America being called fascist is a dead give-a-way. To say that American fascism is debatable is fair, but you don’t do that. You outright deny it with anger, like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Many writers today are making the fascist-America connection, not just me. If you are waiting for America to become a mirror image of Nazi Germany it isn’t going to happen, so that is no defence.


Not changing the subject but there is something I'd like to focus in within the topic.

Are you against all Muslims or just the extremists?

Are you against other extremists, for example Christian extremists and American extremists?

 

[Colpy]

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You’re ignoring my point. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and they don’t all wake up every morning praying to kill someone. The extremists do, and that is who your focus should be on, not an entire religion. All extremists, BTW, not just Muslims.

?

Look at Saudi Arabia, where women are severely oppressed.
Look at Iran, which executes more people per capita than any other nation.
Look at the entire Islamic world, in which no gay is safe.
Look at the link above.
If one out of 10 Muslims is a fundamentalist, that is 160 million lunatics.

And I haven't noticed Baptists crying "Jesus loves me" while shooting up malls.

Meanwhile, this WEEK:

2013.10.18 (Sinjar, Iraq) - A mother and her three sons are shot to death by Sunni fundamentalists over their status as religious minorities. 2013.10.18 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Four children are among a family of six exterminated by pro-Sharia bombers. 2013.10.17 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Islamists set off a bomb in a Christian neighborhood, killing at least eight residents. 2013.10.17 (al-Muwaffaqiyah, Iraq) - Fifteen members of a religious minority community are dismantled by a Shahid suicide bomber. 2013.10.16 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A 4-year-old is among five children who bleed to death after terrorists set off a blast in front of a playground. 2013.10.16 (Kulachi, Pakistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out nine people at a small village.

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

Did you not notice what happened in every Central American country that went communist? All of a sudden there are US arms being shipped in, US black operations being reported, the local gangster is suddenly promoted in Washington, DC, to the rank of freedom fighter and on and on. Communism is an economic theory. Many communist regimes have ended up as dictatorships, but there are lots of capitalist dictatorships. The west (primarily America) picks fights with communist regimes then calls them violent.

40 years ago. Chile, yep, the murder of Allende was indefensible.

ALL communist states are dictatorships, or they are not communist. It is the nature of the beast.

Let’s stay on topic. The statement under debate was that communism is dangerous. Present tense. 21st Century. Not early 20th Century. Stalin is irrelevant.

In the 20th Century. Not today. So we don’t even have to argue your points. None of them are on topic.

LOL!! The most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

It is like a murder trial where the defense lawyer rises and declares his client "not guilty" because he isn't killing anyone RIGHT NOW!!!

lol

If you want to argue history, the European history of war is about who gets the gold. In other words economics, power, land. Communism was a struggle for those things. Where is peace since the USSR collapsed? How many of today’s wars are caused by communism? Your anti-communist antagonism seems just part of your overall pro-American ideology. Your anger and denial about America being called fascist is a dead give-a-way. To say that American fascism is debatable is fair, but you don’t do that. You outright deny it with anger, like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Many writers today are making the fascist-America connection, not just me. If you are waiting for America to become a mirror image of Nazi Germany it isn’t going to happen, so that is no defence.

There are no wars against communism, because there are no significant communists left. It is a FAILED philosophy.

Your insistence on calling one of the most free nations on earth "fascist" is beyond stupidity, and takes you into the realm of the psychologically defective. Exactly the same as those "writers" you refer to.

 

[tober]

Look at Saudi Arabia, where women are severely oppressed.

Look at Iran, which executes more people per capita than any other nation.
Look at the entire Islamic world, in which no gay is safe.
Look at the link above.
If one out of 10 Muslims is a fundamentalist, that is 160 million lunatics.

And I haven't noticed Baptists crying "Jesus loves me" while shooting up malls.

Meanwhile, this WEEK:

]2013.10.18 (Sinjar, Iraq) - A mother and her three sons are shot to death by Sunni fundamentalists over their status as religious minorities. 2013.10.18 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Four children are among a family of six exterminated by pro-Sharia bombers. 2013.10.17 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Islamists set off a bomb in a Christian neighborhood, killing at least eight residents. 2013.10.17 (al-Muwaffaqiyah, Iraq) - Fifteen members of a religious minority community are dismantled by a Shahid suicide bomber. 2013.10.16 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A 4-year-old is among five children who bleed to death after terrorists set off a blast in front of a playground. 2013.10.16 (Kulachi, Pakistan) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out nine people at a small village.

You are still evading the issue. Is your focus against extremists or Muslims? Are you opposed equally to Christian extremists as you Muslim extremists?

Are you claiming that all Muslims are a mortal enemy of the West?

ALL communist states are dictatorships, or they are not communist. It is the nature of the beast.

That’s what US propaganda tells us. How many communist states have you lived in to study what that means in practical terms? What business is it of Canada or the US if a country is communist? Many nations are not far enough along in democratic development to transition directly to Canadian style democracy. An example (although not communist) was Iraq. It turns out that throwing out Saddam Hussein was not such a good idea (in the opinions of many authorities) because it destabilized the region.

And besides, what’s your point? The topic is whether hating Muslims is defensible.
The question I asked is whether you hate all Muslims or just extremists, and whether you equally oppose non-Muslim extremists? Once again you have run all over the board belting out “stream of consciousness” from your memory from school and ignored the issue.

LOL!! The most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

My question addressed your statement that communism is dangerous. Present tense. You respond that I have made the most ridiculous statement you’ve ever read. Tell us please, what is ridiculous about defining the issue as present tense? Does it embarrass you because you answered the wrong question, and now you’re unable to just admit it?

It is like a murder trial where the defense lawyer rises and declares his client "not guilty" because he isn't killing anyone RIGHT NOW!!!

Interesting perspective. You think that communism isdangerous because in your opinion it was dangerous? Let’s use your own example. If you are prosecuting somebody for murder and the defence produces the “victim” alive in court, you are going to look pretty stupid telling the judge, ‘Yeah, but he must’ve killed someone back then.” Maybe he was a murderer in the past, but the trial is about today’s charge not yesterday’s history. A smart prosecutor at that point would simply stay further proceedings and close his file. Today’s debate is based on your statement that communism is the world’s most dangerous ideology today. You are unable to support your position. You lose.

There are no wars against communism, because there are no significant communists left. It is a FAILED philosophy.

Ri-i-i-i-i-ght, so how can it be the world’s most dangerous ideology in the world today? Logic now Colby, logic. Stick to the question, don’t start a lecture on something else.

Your insistence on calling one of the most free nations on earth "fascist" is beyond stupidity, and takes you into the realm of the psychologically defective. Exactly the same as those "writers" you refer to.

Interesting. I replied to this point earlier by posting a number of articles of people who disagree with you. Yet you continue to try to reduce the whole question to a personal name calling fight between you and me? You didn’t address the actual facts when the opportunity was given to you. You didn’t apply any logic to the question and honestly examine it. All you’re able to do is rant emotionally. Define "free" in terms of America and give examples, if you can?

You claim to be university educated? You do not seem to retain any scholastic skills. Based on your answers you think every question contains only one truth and you own it. You fail to display any skills in arguing positions. All you display is temper and name calling. A properly educated university graduate should be able to take any side of any issue and present arguments to support his position. That is what an advanced education is supposed to provide – critical thinking skills. You seem to lack those skills. All you can do is cling like grim death to emotionally held beliefs and call names of those who differ. Some of the issues you stick to are surprising because of their apparent bigotry, but none of them are so important as to cause the kind of feelings you display. No wonder you couldn’t teach. Your students demanded critical thinking skills from you as they tested their own intellects and tried to develop their own skills. All you do is bully.

 

[Colpy]

You are still evading the issue. Is your focus against extremists or Muslims?

1) My focus is Islam, and those that strictly follow the murderous example of Mohammed, and the instructions of the Koran.

Are you opposed equally to Christian extremists as you Muslim extremists?

Christians do not murder, as that would be opposed to the example of Christ and against the instructions of the New Testament. Anyone who commits a terrorist act and claims to be Christian is a liar, or incredibly deluded. But yes, i would oppose terror by "Christians".

How many have there been this last week???????

Are you claiming that all Muslims are a mortal enemy of the West?

I am claiming Islam is the mortal enemy of the west, and only those Muslims that largely ignore the example of Mohammed and the Koran are friends to the west.....but yes, there are some.

ALL communist states are dictatorships, or they are not communist. It is the nature of the beast.

Name me one that is not.

You think that communism is dangerous because in your opinion it was dangerous?

Yes. It is called learning from experience, and is indicative of intelligence.

There are no wars against communism, because there are no significant communists left. It is a FAILED philosophy.

Name me a significant communist country.

Even Fidel Castro has acknowledged communism was a failure. Try to keep up.

Your insistence on calling one of the most free nations on earth "fascist" is beyond stupidity, and takes you into the realm of the psychologically defective.

I have a low BS tolerance level.

Define "free" in terms of America and give examples,

Freedom of speech, moreso than in Canada

Freedom to bear arms, moreso than in Canada.

The ability to engage in political activity, to join any number of political parties, to engage in political debate, and to vote in a contested election.

The right to assemble, and to protest.

I could go on and on and on, but those four cornerstone things thoroughly disprove your idiotic contention that the USA is fascist, so anything more would be redundant.

You claim to be university educated?

B.A. Major History, Minor Political Science, graduated top of my class of 390 with a GPA of 4.01. Want to see my transcript???

B.Ed

 

[tober]

My focus is Islam, and those that strictly follow the murderous example of Mohammed, and the instructions of the Koran.

Have you read the Koran?

Christians do not murder, as that would be opposed to the example of Christ and against the instructions of the New Testament. Anyone who commits a terrorist act and claims to be Christian is a liar, or incredibly deluded.

I am a Christian and I accept that anybody who tells me they are a Christian is a Christian. So yes, you are presumably a Christian. But that doesn't mean you are knowledgeable in Christianity. If you were, you would know that many murderers are Christian. Scripture says that in the eyes of God all crimes against His word are heinous, and we cannot judge one to be less sinful than another. Jesus Christ says that all people are sinners. Jesus also says that all are forgiven who ask for forgiveness no matter what their sin. Jesus forgave the murderer who was hanging on a cross beside Him. God Himself says that we are not to judge others, judgement is His alone. Your position cannot possibly stand.

How many have there been this last week???????

How many terrorist acts by Christians, you ask? I dunno. How many have there been by Muslims? Who defines the terms? When a US sniper shoots and kills a Muslim kid because the kid leaned down and picked up “bait”, is the US kid the terrorist or is the Muslim kid a terrorist? Were the US forces who invaded Pakistan without Pakistani permission and killed Osama bin Laden terrorists? If not, please explain why? I am not approving or disapproving, I am asking you to justify your condemnation.

I am claiming Islam is the mortal enemy of the west….

Well, you’re being consistent. I must admit to agreeing that Islam, as opposed to Muslims, has declared itself to be our enemy. However the cause has been the west’s conduct in Islam. If they behaved here the way the west has behaved there people would be quick to point it out and demand action. You have claimed to be Christian – why don’t you speak out and demand of our leaders not only that they protect us, but that our policies quit driving them to war against us? It’s never too late to do towards them as we would have them do towards us. No doubt they will keep selling us their oil no matter what else happens. Sellers need buyers – they need us the same as we need them. We are mightier than they are. Why can’t we set the example? It has to stop somewhere.

and only those Muslims that largely ignore the example of Mohammed and the Koran are friends to the west.....but yes, there are some.

We have given ourselves the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. We have given ourselves freedom of association and freedom of religion. Yet you make those demands on 1.6 billion people because of their religion and you have never even read our Bible? That is illogical. I wouldn’t disbelieve in God if they told me to. Why should they?

Name me one that is not.

Not until you answer my question first. What countries have you been to so as to study them and find out what lack of freedoms they actually suffer? Communism might be the best choice for some cultures. It isn’t for you to judge.

Yes. It is called learning from experience, and is indicative of intelligence.

You have said nothing to indicate that you have learned your ideology from experience? A degree in Poli Sci probably decades old doesn’t give you the right to call 2013 communism the most dangerous ideology on earth. And besides, what about Islam? You stated in the post that this post is answering:

There are no wars against communism, because there are no significant communists left. It is a FAILED philosophy.

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You are clear in acknowledging that Islam is fighting us and communism is nearly dead, so why is communism the world’s most dangerous ideology? Communism is “dangerous” to a bunch of upper class capitalists because it has frozen them out of their upper classes. Right wing upper class dictators are just as dangerous. I think you’re just stuck in the “Kill a Commie for Christ” of J. Edgar Hoover. That is not experience and it is not credible reasoning.

I have a low BS tolerance level.

That is s BS excuse. You have little demonstrated skill in arguing. You do not take positions, you demand that your versions of capital "T" truth be accepted. You call others stupid who do not share, or do not argue your truths.

The ability to engage in political activity, to join any number of political parties, to engage in political debate, and to vote in a contested election.

That is really vague. People protest that in Russia the electorate only got to vote for communists. So what? In America people only got to vote for capitalists.

The right to assemble, and to protest.

Like under dubya, where armed force was used to isolate all protesters blocks away from all political activity? And people with government jobs who were identified as protesters were fired?

I could go on and on and on, but those four cornerstone things thoroughly disprove your idiotic contention that the USA is fascist, so anything more would be redundant.

Not only is your contention shallow and not credible, I was able to easily dispute both paragraphs. Any cosmetic appearance can be manufactured to grant the appearance of freedom. The constitution of the old USSR was more liberal in appearance than the US constitution.

B.A. Major History, Minor Political Science, graduated top of my class of 390 with a GPA of 4.01. Want to see my transcript???

B.Ed

Not for a moment. I measure your posts by what you write. I see a lot of anger and no scholastic discipline.

 

[CDNBear]

Excellent use of Gish Gallop.

 

[Colpy]

Have you read the Koran?

All of it I need to read........along with relevant hadith

I am a Christian and I accept that anybody who tells me they are a Christian is a Christian.

Then you are simply wrong. I can run around claiming to be a Volkswagon bus, but if I show none of the attributes of a Volkswagon bus I am either a liar or deluded.

How many terrorist acts by Christians, you ask? I dunno. How many have there been by Muslims?

Here you go. A list of non-state terror acts, January-June 2013. It is hard to find one NOT done in the name of Islam.

And you should really learn to do a tiny bit of your own research.....then you might not look like a fool.

List of terrorist incidents, January–June 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, you’re being consistent. I must admit to agreeing that Islam, as opposed to Muslims, has declared itself to be our enemy. However the cause has been the west’s conduct in Islam.

Saudi Arabia is supporting terror because we made them rich with oil money??

What absolute BUL:L****. We have been at war with Islam for 1000 years. It is a clash of civilizations, a medieval cult vs western civilization.

Read some history.

What countries have you been to so as to study them and find out what lack of freedoms they actually suffer? Communism might be the best choice for some cultures. It isn’t for you to judge.

BS. I have never been to a communist country, I don't need to be. How many Nazi countries have you visited.

Now you answer my question....name me a significant communist country, a free country, btw, as you love the philosophy. Oh, and communism is NOT the best choice for ANY culture, freedom is......and your promotion of tyranny says a lot about you.

You see no scholastic discipline because you have no clue what that is.....you wouldn't know a scholar if he bit you on the ***, because you are an irogant ignoramus with delusions of intellectual granduer......simple as that.

You have said NOTHING worthwhile, you never support your theses with facts.

 

[CDNBear]

You see no scholastic discipline because you have no clue what that is.....you wouldn't know a scholar if he bit you on the ***, because you are an irogant ignoramus with delusions of intellectual granduer......simple as that.

You have said NOTHING worthwhile, you never support your theses with facts.

Oh you can say that again.

But that's all part of his trolling, he has no intentions of supplying anything of worthwhile.

He just keeps posting nonsense, in an attempt to frustrate people who do use facts and critical thought.

Why you entertain his nonsense at all, is beyond me.

He's worth nothing more than mockery.

 

[JLM]

Then you are simply wrong. I can run around claiming to be a Volkswagon bus, but if I show none of the attributes of a Volkswagon bus I am either a liar or deluded.

They walk among us!

Have you read the Koran?



I am a Christian and I accept that anybody who tells me they are a Christian is a Christian. So yes, you are presumably a Christian. But that doesn't mean you are knowledgeable in Christianity. If you were, you would know that many murderers are Christian. Scripture says that in the eyes of God all crimes against His word are heinous, and we cannot judge one to be less sinful than another. Jesus Christ says that all people are sinners. Jesus also says that all are forgiven who ask for forgiveness no matter what their sin. Jesus forgave the murderer who was hanging on a cross beside Him. God Himself says that we are not to judge others, judgement is His alone. Your position cannot possibly stand.



How many terrorist acts by Christians, you ask? I dunno. How many have there been by Muslims? Who defines the terms? When a US sniper shoots and kills a Muslim kid because the kid leaned down and picked up “bait”, is the US kid the terrorist or is the Muslim kid a terrorist? Were the US forces who invaded Pakistan without Pakistani permission and killed Osama bin Laden terrorists? If not, please explain why? I am not approving or disapproving, I am asking you to justify your condemnation.



Well, you’re being consistent. I must admit to agreeing that Islam, as opposed to Muslims, has declared itself to be our enemy. However the cause has been the west’s conduct in Islam. If they behaved here the way the west has behaved there people would be quick to point it out and demand action. You have claimed to be Christian – why don’t you speak out and demand of our leaders not only that they protect us, but that our policies quit driving them to war against us? It’s never too late to do towards them as we would have them do towards us. No doubt they will keep selling us their oil no matter what else happens. Sellers need buyers – they need us the same as we need them. We are mightier than they are. Why can’t we set the example? It has to stop somewhere.



We have given ourselves the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. We have given ourselves freedom of association and freedom of religion. Yet you make those demands on 1.6 billion people because of their religion and you have never even read our Bible? That is illogical. I wouldn’t disbelieve in God if they told me to. Why should they?



Not until you answer my question first. What countries have you been to so as to study them and find out what lack of freedoms they actually suffer? Communism might be the best choice for some cultures. It isn’t for you to judge.



You have said nothing to indicate that you have learned your ideology from experience? A degree in Poli Sci probably decades old doesn’t give you the right to call 2013 communism the most dangerous ideology on earth. And besides, what about Islam? You stated in the post that this post is answering:

There are no wars against communism, because there are no significant communists left. It is a FAILED philosophy.


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You are clear in acknowledging that Islam is fighting us and communism is nearly dead, so why is communism the world’s most dangerous ideology? Communism is “dangerous” to a bunch of upper class capitalists because it has frozen them out of their upper classes. Right wing upper class dictators are just as dangerous. I think you’re just stuck in the “Kill a Commie for Christ” of J. Edgar Hoover. That is not experience and it is not credible reasoning.






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That is s BS excuse. You have little demonstrated skill in arguing. You do not take positions, you demand that your versions of capital "T" truth be accepted. You call others stupid who do not share, or do not argue your truths.



That is really vague. People protest that in Russia the electorate only got to vote for communists. So what? In America people only got to vote for capitalists.



Like under dubya, where armed force was used to isolate all protesters blocks away from all political activity? And people with government jobs who were identified as protesters were fired?



Not only is your contention shallow and not credible, I was able to easily dispute both paragraphs. Any cosmetic appearance can be manufactured to grant the appearance of freedom. The constitution of the old USSR was more liberal in appearance than the US constitution.



Not for a moment. I measure your posts by what you write. I see a lot of anger and no scholastic discipline.

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Oh you can say that again.

But that's all part of his trolling, he has no intentions of supplying anything of worthwhile.

He just keeps posting nonsense, in an attempt to frustrate people who do use facts and critical thought.

Why you entertain his nonsense at all, is beyond me.

He's worth nothing more than mockery.

He kind of reminds me of Sir Joseph Potter what with all the long babbling posts and all .