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Heads Up GOP: Rasmussen Has President Obama’s Approval Ratings Rising to 51%

Heads Up GOP: Rasmussen Has President Obama's Approval Ratings Rising to 51%


As Republicans search for new ways to cave on their attempt to take the country hostage and call it winning, Rasmussen (pollster to the Republican stars) has President Obama’s approval rating on the rise at levels not seen since last spring. Obama currently has a 51% approval rating per Thursday’s Presidential tracking poll.




Another loss for the Tea baggers.
 

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Hmmm, locks like its 1852 all over and the American Whig party is self destructing, Boom

Interesting, because the Republican Party replaced the Whigs if I recall correctly? Were Republicans left or right at the time? I seem to recall that they have not necessarily been consistent throughout time. Or am I incorrect?

I recall a r/w'er a couple of years ago posting that he hated Abraham Lincoln. What a weird bunch, "hating" someone who'd been dead for 140 odd years? Haters gotta hate.
 

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It's a "Catch 22", there's a good argument to be made for both sides, you can't spend money you ain't got and you can't let folks starve to death.
 

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Originally the GOP was a leftist party and at the time democrats were conservatives.

Yeah, that rings a bell. That would help explain Lincoln. Mind you, Lincoln was always pragmatic about blacks. He would have as quickly shipped them all offshore somewhere if that would save the Union. He only issued the Emancipation Proclamation when he realized it was the tool he needed to fend off foreign intervention in the Civil War. By making the war about slavery, he made it politically impossible for Britain to intervene on the side of the Confederacy to get cotton flowing back to British cotton mills from Southern fields.

What happens then?

For the Republicans to be destroyed something has to destroy them. Wouldn't it be interesting if a new party arose left of the Democrats? Many commentators have noted that the Hispanic bubble will move American politics left. If the Republicans imploded with enough of them moving left of the Democrats to save their jobs, they could form the nucleus of a new leftist party and leave the Democrats right of them. Remaining Republicans who survived politically could move into the Democrat camp, thereby stopping the Democratic Party from shifting left of the new arrivals. Anything's possible in politics.

Except it isn't a mojority. Harper was elected with 38% of the vote. Due to our 3 party system it is common for people to get a seat with less than 50% and most of the time less than 45%. In my opinion it sucks and needs to change. I am tired of listening to idiots claim they have a mandate for their platform when 60% of the country is against it.

OTOH we don't want a two-party system like the US. It leads to US-style stagnation. As well a minority government is always better for people than an ideological majority.
 

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Except it isn't a mojority. Harper was elected with 38% of the vote. Due to our 3 party system it is common for people to get a seat with less than 50% and most of the time less than 45%.

It's still a majority of support for one party.

If you demand that one party get 50%+1 vote, then lobby to restrict the number of political parties to only 2
 

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Interesting, because the Republican Party replaced the Whigs if I recall correctly? Were Republicans left or right at the time? I seem to recall that they have not necessarily been consistent throughout time. Or am I incorrect?

I recall a r/w'er a couple of years ago posting that he hated Abraham Lincoln. What a weird bunch, "hating" someone who'd been dead for 140 odd years? Haters gotta hate.

The Whig collapse is fascinating. the party became a 'virtual jellyfish', fighting between the South Whigs and the Northern Whigs, and ending up with an Unholy compromise , the Fugitive Slave act of 1850, that the Northern States found increasingly intolerable,. the First 'mass protest ' against the US Federal government .

The Southern Whigs are rather hugely to blame, esp. the border slave states, Kentucky, Tennessee,, Missouri, and Virginia where most Wigs didn't own slaves.

It's still a majority of support for one party.

If you demand that one party get 50%+1 vote, then lobby to restrict the number of political parties to only 2

A lot of countries get around this by 'run off' elections, if one candidate doesn't get at least 40 % of the popular vote. That I would really like to see.
 

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A lot of countries get around this by 'run off' elections, if one candidate doesn't get at least 40 % of the popular vote. That I would really like to see.

I wouldn't have any problem with that arrangement, however, there will always be those that are pissed that 'their' party got initially eliminated..

Besides, I could see there being a big business in brokering support from the first losers; not unlike what you see happen at the leadership conventions today
 

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I wouldn't have any problem with that arrangement, however, there will always be those that are pissed that 'their' party got initially eliminated..

Besides, I could see there being a big business in brokering support from the first losers; not unlike what you see happen at the leadership conventions today

So what's wrong with that? That is a good thing. If you have a run off within a week, shouldn't be a big concern.
Run off elections are the worst fears of the 'ruling class'. But a real triumph of democracy, as they allow fore everyone to have an effective voice.
 

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It's still a majority of support for one party.
No it isn't! It is a majority of seat won with a minority of the votes. In most ridings they won with less than 50% of the vote and overall they only had 38%. You can try to twist it to a majority however you like but 60% of Canadians voted against Harper and the conservatives. That is hardly a resounding mandate from the populace.
If you demand that one party get 50%+1 vote, then lobby to restrict the number of political parties to only 2

If I was going to lobby for anything it would be no parties. Make everyone run as an independent like the constitution was written.
 
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Good for you. I hadn't seen that. But you should become more familiar with Canadian constitutional law and conventions. We are not America. Everything is not 100% governed by regulations and written procedures. Any PM who went to war without the consent of Parliament could be out of office very quickly. We are not the United States, Our structure of government is different. We can and have ousted PM’s part way through their terms. The last one to go that way was Joe Clark in the 1980’s, for being exactly that kind of arrogant leader. When we went to Gulf War 1 the issue was commented on. Mulrooney took the position that he “could” send troops into combat without Parliament’s say-so, but he didn’t dare try. Nor should you rely too heavily on Wicki. It talked about declaring war. Because of the UN Charter it is legally probable that Canada will never again make a “Declaration of War”. It is not done any more. No Canadian PM has ever tried to go to war without parliamentary approval, and to do so might well result in a constitutional challenge. In Canada there are things called constitutional conventions that are a constitutional version of the common law. It is quite possible, maybe even probable, that any PM who tried to send Canadian Forces into indefinite combat without the approval of Parliament would be out on his ear mid-term. That possibility was talked about when Mulrooney was contemplating his options in 1990. Unlike the US, we can do that.




I have assisted in drafting orders in council.

Rather an odd interpretation of what happened. Joe Clark was not ousted mid term, rather his government was defeated in a non confidence vote. Not the same thing. In fact it would be next to impossible to oust a sitting PM short of a criminal conviction or possibly a recall vote in his/her riding.