Fed up with Islam Yet???

Colpy

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Now here's a first for the rabid anti-Islam bigot. A link showing followers of Islam and Christianity coming together in peace and conciliation.

No it is not actually a first.....you can find a few of them on this thread if you care to look closely.....and you can find links to commentators that happen to be Muslim.

All posted by Yours Truly.

Not that I actually expect you to have some foundation to your accusations........

Oh, and calling me an "Anti-Islam bigot"???

THANK YOU.

I appreciate the recognition of my ability to differentiate between a murder cult and a religion.

A skill you seem to lack, which makes your praise even more surprising.
 

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I appreciate the recognition of my ability to differentiate between a murder cult and a religion.



The religion is Islam. The adherents are Muslims.
The religion is Christianity. The adherents are Christians.
 

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Now Gerry, don't be like that.

Some of my best friends are psychotic Mohammedans. :)

Actually, I realize that Muslims come in all shapes and sizes, good and bad and every shade in between, just like everyone else. I have worked with Muslims, read books written by Muslims, and I understand their history and the contribution they made to the west.

It is Islam I have a problem with..........and yes, you can separate the two.

So, I would appreciate it if, when you have an uncontrollable urge to spew venomous libel, that you make some mild attempt to control yourself.................perhaps initiating a conversation would be an improvement over attempting to crap all over someone with personal insult.

Your confessor must be busy.
But, Colpy, you have told me that you would exclude all Muslims from immigration to Canada (and presumably deport the ones who don't have citizenship). So precisely how do you "separate the two?"
 

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But, Colpy, you have told me that you would exclude all Muslims from immigration to Canada (and presumably deport the ones who don't have citizenship). So precisely how do you "separate the two?"

I'm not sure I ever said that....

I know I've said that anyone that showed up at the border with their wife in full veil should be turned away.

And yes, I have said Muslims protesting against individual rights should be deported if they do not have citizenship.

Obviously, both of these classes of people do not belong here.

But ALL Muslims?? I don't remember saying that......perhaps you could direct me to it.......
 

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I know I've said that anyone that showed up at the border with their wife in full veil should be turned away.

And yes, I have said Muslims protesting against individual rights should be deported if they do not have citizenship.

From what you have written earlier this thread, you wish to use your concept of "Christian" to condemn Muslims but you don't even know what the Bible says. Charter rights are not restricted to just citizens. Canadian law does not permit tossing somebody out of Canada merely because of political beliefs and cultural dress.
 

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And yes, I have said Muslims protesting against individual rights should be deported if they do not have citizenship.

OK, so you obviously have a problem with freedom of speech. Are there any other freedoms we enjoy that you aren't happy with?
 

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OK, so you obviously have a problem with freedom of speech. Are there any other freedoms we enjoy that you aren't happy with?

There also seems to be some issue about freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, expression and association?
 

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From what you have written earlier this thread, you wish to use your concept of "Christian" to condemn Muslims but you don't even know what the Bible says. Charter rights are not restricted to just citizens. Canadian law does not permit tossing somebody out of Canada merely because of political beliefs and cultural dress.

If you are not a Canadian citizen, you have NO right to be in Canada. We should be able to toss you out for any reason or no reason at all.......

The same as my house. If my family does not want you there, out you go. No reason need be given. A whim suffices.
 
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If you are not a Canadian citizen, you have NO right to be in Canada. We should be able to toss you out for any reason or no reason at all.......

The same as my house. If my family does not want you there, out you go. No reason need be givem. A whim suffices.


Ooooooooooh, oooooooooooh, oooooooooh Colpy, I would beg to differ on that one. Every time I went across the line I figured I had a right to be there, since they waved me through at Customs.
 

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If you are not a Canadian citizen, you have NO right to be in Canada. We should be able to toss you out for any reason or no reason at all.... A whim suffices.

What you are referring to is an extremist, authoritarian system. That might be why you feel so attracted to America and its gun culture. There was a time after WW2 when Canada could have fallen into lock-step with the US and ended up that way. Our federal Liberals led us away from that and a unique Canadian identity has emerged. Viva la Canadien libre!
 

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Noooo............they didn't.

Here is the difference. So called "Christians" engaged in acts of barbarism are deviating from the example of Jesus Christ, and defying the instructions of the New Testament, and in doing so, they belie their claim to Christianity.

Muslims murdering infidels, especially Jews, in in perfect keeping with the example of their prophet and the instructions of their holy texts.

That's not quite true, because Christians still have the Old Testament as part o thier holy book. The Old Testament gets pretty hard core sometimes.

That said, what is happening in the Muslim world has no equivalent in contemporary Christinaity. There's a religious war between Shi'ites and Sunnis. There's also a jihad movement afoot that has the express intention of spreading Islam through the application of shria law.

While Christians may have, for example, nuked Japan, it was not for the express purpose of instilling Biblical law.
 

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"was not for the express purpose of instilling Biblical law."

Does that void the 18,000 (misguided) acts that were done because of that?
 

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What you are referring to is an extremist, authoritarian system. That might be why you feel so attracted to America and its gun culture. There was a time after WW2 when Canada could have fallen into lock-step with the US and ended up that way. Our federal Liberals led us away from that and a unique Canadian identity has emerged. Viva la Canadien libre!

No....what I am promoting is sanity.

Only a lunatic allows a violent, psychotic enemy unrestricted access to their home.

The west has been insane of late......witness the result of unrestricted Muslim immigration in Europe. The leaders of the two greatest nations in Europe (Germany and the UK) have both refuted the idiotic ideal of multiculturalism.

The Liberals are idiots. BIG surprise there!! Witness Justin Trudeau.

BTW, once again, read a little history. WLM King took us wholeheartedly into the US sphere, and Lester Pearson (as St. Laurent's foreign minister) cemented the relationship when he sided with the US instead of the UK over the Suez Crisis.

Liberals all.

Oh....read the tag line......any questions???
 

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No....what I am promoting is sanity.

No decent nation - and Canada is decent - deprives non-citizens of the protection of its rights, freedoms and due process. Saudi Arabia and others like them do. Presumably you don't want us to be like them.

The Liberals are idiots…. Witness Justin Trudeau.

There, ya see? You don't always get your facts wrong.

BTW, once again, read a little history. WLM King took us wholeheartedly into the US sphere, and Lester Pearson (as St. Laurent's foreign minister) cemented the relationship when he sided with the US instead of the UK over the Suez Crisis.

King and everybody else experienced a change in relationship with the Yanks because of WW2. Prior to then the Yanks had active war plans for invading Canada that included mustard gas for the City of Halifax. The US and we are now undisputed allies – as if we have a real choice. At times during naval exercises a Canadian frigate will be in command of an entire US carrier battle group, taking turns with all other ships present.


There is an interesting story in a book about Canadian naval history during the Suez Crisis. If I recall correctly it was written by former Canadian admiral Hal Lawrence. During the Suez Crisis the US carrier on the scene was standing off in the Med. Canadian destroyers were part of the Anglo-French forces at sea. A line abreast of destroyers extended approximately one every five to ten miles from the Brit carrier to the US carrier, including Canadian ships. A message was sent by light from the Brit admiral to the Yank admiral. Each destroyer received the message and passed it on to the next ship in line until the final ship passed it to the Yank. The message instructed the Yank to, “**** off about your business.”

Several weeks later a group of senior officers, Brits and Canadians, were gathered for a weekly drink after work in England. The Brit admiral who had told the Yank admiral to “F/O” was there. Yanks were welcome. Traditionally everybody wore civvies and rank was not mentioned in order to lessen the possibility for obnoxious people trying to pull rank. Into the meeting walked the Yank admiral who had been told to “F/O”, wearing full uniform and medals. The meeting went silent for a moment, then everybody burst out laughing. The Yank admiral took it as long as he could but they all kept laughing. Finally the Yank left and never returned between then and when he was posted home.
 

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No decent nation - and Canada is decent - deprives non-citizens of the protection of its rights, freedoms and due process. Saudi Arabia and others like them do. Presumably you don't want us to be like them.

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So....why have borders at all??

Heck, let's just all be one big multicultural family........let's throw out 2,500 years of the development of western civilization......to heck with it, it ain't worth it.

Barbarians at the gate?? Hell, let'em in!!!

No need to comply with the rules nor recognize the things that have made us the greatest civilization on earth.......that have made us so bloody comfortable we can't be bothered to get up off the couch to close the door when some combination of Rasputin, Mr. Hyde and Jack the Ripper decides to come strolling in.....

Idiotic. Suicidal. Insane.

OF COURSE people in Canada have every right in the world that we grant all people, free speech, freedom of assembly, etc etc etc.....what they do NOT have is the right to stay here if we do not want them.

King and everybody else experienced a change in relationship with the Yanks because of WW2. Prior to then the Yanks had active war plans for invading Canada that included mustard gas for the City of Halifax. The US and we are now undisputed allies – as if we have a real choice. At times during naval exercises a Canadian frigate will be in command of an entire US carrier battle group, taking turns with all other ships present.
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King fell into the US sphere because he was a simpering twit that idolized FDR to the point that FDR could write a bilateral treaty and then call up King to come down and sign it.

All nations, at least those with actual military power, make contingency plans to attack others.

Two things:

1. You got a link for the planned use of mustard gas against Halifax?? After 1928, please, as

2. The use of gas in warfare was perfectly legal until 1928.

Oh, and do you think the Americans HAVE to let us have command of their forces?? It is because we are friends and allies, as close as two nations have ever been.
 

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That's not quite true, because Christians still have the Old Testament as part o thier holy book. The Old Testament gets pretty hard core sometimes.

That said, what is happening in the Muslim world has no equivalent in contemporary Christinaity. There's a religious war between Shi'ites and Sunnis. There's also a jihad movement afoot that has the express intention of spreading Islam through the application of shria law.

While Christians may have, for example, nuked Japan, it was not for the express purpose of instilling Biblical law.

From what I could gather years ago it was the Sunnis who were the real bastards and the Sh*tties not as much so!
 

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So....why have borders at all??

For a guy who claims to have two university degrees you seem to have an awfully hard time sticking to an issue. The issue is whether non-Canadians inside Canada have legal rights, not whether we must let them into Canada.

Heck, let's just all be one big multicultural family........let's throw out 2,500 years of the development of western civilization......to heck with it, it ain't worth it.

Barbarians at the gate?? Hell, let'em in!!!

Would it be fair to say you hate all things Muslim? That’s a pretty unusual position for an educated man, so I’m just asking to clarify?

No need to comply with the rules nor recognize the things that have made us the greatest civilization on earth....

Why do you call us the greatest civilization on earth? In whose opinion and for what purposes?

...that have made us so bloody comfortable we can't be bothered to get up off the couch to close the door when some combination of Rasputin, Mr. Hyde and Jack the Ripper decides to come strolling in.....

Idiotic. Suicidal. Insane.

I certainly suggested no such thing. Nor have I read anybody else do so. Where do you get this dramatic changer of topic?

OF COURSE people in Canada have every right in the world that we grant all people, free speech, freedom of assembly, etc etc etc.....what they do NOT have is the right to stay here if we do not want them.

I have not read anybody suggest differently.

All nations, at least those with actual military power, make contingency plans to attack others.

Implicit in my statement was that America was a risk of carrying it out. Several years ago I read in an old, multi-volume history of the Royal Navy that in 1917, at the naval Battle of Jutland, Admiral Jellicoe left a battleship squadron out of his line of battle in case the US navy tried to attack Britain when she was fighting the Kaiser’s fleet. In 1925 there was an international naval conference held in Washington, DC. Its purpose was to set limits on numbers and size of capital ships. The political fear that made the conference necessary was of a naval arms race between America and Britain. Few of today’s authorities remember the US/Britain antagonisms; they focus on Japan. US-British-Canadian Relations have been so good for so long that today’s generations do not remember world relations at the turn of the 20th Century.