Taxes. Why are we subsidizing or exempting religions that just lie to us?

[French Patriot]

Taxes. Why are we subsidizing or exempting religions that just lie to us?

All religions have their own Gods and be you a believer or not, you pay taxes to support them, ---- and all they return, except for a bit of social babysitting, ---- is lies.

Are you fed up with the Noble Lie of your governance and should these lying churches stop feeding from your wallet while your government use them against you?

I can appreciate some of the ancient logic for propagating churches and religions and the Noble Lie. I think that that logic no longer applies as our communication systems have become global and instant and churches are no longer required to supplement our social safety nets and that they have become superfluous and redundant.

Should your tax support for these lying churches and competing Gods be ended?

Are we bright enough to rid ourselves of the Noble Lie that we feed ourselves?

Why are you subsidizing religions that just lie to us?

Would you like to end churches and other tax exempt entities from taking your hard earned dollars and returning nothing or are churches still required in our modern societies?

Regards
DL

 

[petros]

Churches are charities.

While you're ragging on charities, and silly questions here is one for you:

"WWJD if he ran MADD..? Take the high paying salary raised or donated by unwitting teens and parents or give it to the poor?

 

[hunboldt]

Churches are charities.

While you're ragging on charities, and silly questions here is one for you:

"WWJD if he ran MADD..? Take the high paying salary raised or donated by unwitting teens and parents or give it to the poor?

Good reply .Why FP would ban believers form supporting their faiths is rather unexplained. Just another on line Angst merchant.

 

[MHz]

Good point FP, they never should have gotten that exemption in the first place when they intentionally lie to the people to protect the corrupt Governments.

You aren't a charity when you take in billions every year and dole out a few million to (your choice) of charities.
The same corrupt partnership between Governments (aka European middle ages) and the Church is they can blame each other for the fact that the 'Peasants' get screwed over time, after time, after time. The Indian Schools run by the RCC and Protestant Churches were the most godless schools imaginable but they were funded by the Government through tax dollars. No wonder both are being as quiet as 'church mice'. That same kind of relationship has existed for 100's of years with religion taking the blame for all the untold misery caused by Governments (and bankers even more) in their quest for material riches and control of any surviving people.

When you own your bank you are not there for the good of the flock, you are getting a reward from bankers for keeping your mouth shut about who the most corrupt ones are.

Good reply .Why FP would ban believers form supporting their faiths is rather unexplained. Just another on line Angst merchant.

It has to do with the way they use the funds, fund whoever you like, just let the truth be out in the open rather than it being some secret that can never be shared with the flock, which it isn't and never has been, sorry that facts like that don't concern you, that doesn't mean your view should be the one adopted by the world in general.

 

[Blackleaf]

I bet French Patriot would have no problem in taxes supporting atheist groups.

 

[relic]

And why not,why should your superstition trump any one elses ?

 

[Cliffy]

There is no public accountability of the Vatican bank. There is no accountability of the Vatican real estate or the annual revenue milked from the parishioners world wide. I doubt that more than a small percentage of the annual revenue ever makes to help others. The pomp and ceremony of the church is even more obscene than the British monarchy.

 

[taxslave]

The intent of the tax free status is good and fair but like so much of the tax code it has been corrupted and abused. In days gone by most churches had no money and served a function now lwrgely taken over by government. When churches own billions of dollars of prime realestate and have huge bank accounts there is a problem. many charities should also loose their tax exempt status when they have executives making in excess of $100g a year.

 

[French Patriot]

Churches are charities.

While you're ragging on charities, and silly questions here is one for you:

"WWJD if he ran MADD..? Take the high paying salary raised or donated by unwitting teens and parents or give it to the poor?

I do not rage against most non-religious charities. Churches are my target.

Other than churches, what other charitable organization has institutionalized lying to us?

And do you like to pay to be lied to?

Regards
DL

 

[hunboldt]

Churches are charities.

While you're ragging on charities, and silly questions here is one for you:

"WWJD if he ran MADD..? Take the high paying salary raised or donated by unwitting teens and parents or give it to the poor?

One solution is to make religion 'easily portable' from denomination to denomination. You could remove tax exempt status for 'tele evangelist activities.

There is very little funding scandal in the grass roots churches.

I do not rage against most non-religious charities. Churches are my target.

Other than churches, what other charitable organization has institutionalized lying to us?

And do you like to pay to be lied to?

Regards
DL

oh, just grow a pair.:lol:

 

[French Patriot]

Good reply .Why FP would ban believers form supporting their faiths is rather unexplained. Just another on line Angst merchant.

I have no problem with believers paying to be lied to.

I just do not like paying the churches share of our tax burden. Let the fools who like to pay to be lied to pay for it instead of non-believers and people who can think.

Regards
DL

 

[WLDB]

I bet French Patriot would have no problem in taxes supporting atheist groups.

I certainly wouldnt have a problem with it. Exempt whatever charitable things they or the churches may have and tax the rest.

 

[French Patriot]

I bet French Patriot would have no problem in taxes supporting atheist groups.

Do you think that atheists would get away with lying to other atheists for all of these years the way the churches have?

As to supporting atheist organizations, they do not seem to recognize their own tribal natures much and most do nothing to appease it showing a self-catered attitude so they would be a poor candidate for any tax relief.

They presently deserve it more than churches that are only good for lying to us.

I am not an atheist but if churches are not going to stop lying to us they should go.

Regards
DL

 

[Sal]

Hasn't the money the churches receive already been heavily taxed before it was tithed?

I am less concerned about church tax advantages than I am about complete tax shelters for the rich and money grabs for our politicians. Lots of churches in my city do meals and shelter for the homeless and marginalized and many other good works. In my community churches are community based and do good works. *meh, I'm okay with that*

Also no church lies to me. I don't chose to go. It's a choice.

 

[French Patriot]

The intent of the tax free status is good and fair but like so much of the tax code it has been corrupted and abused. In days gone by most churches had no money and served a function now lwrgely taken over by government. When churches own billions of dollars of prime realestate and have huge bank accounts there is a problem. many charities should also loose their tax exempt status when they have executives making in excess of $100g a year.

I agree with all this except your last.

Any good P R man who can raise awareness for his charity is well worth that and more.

I understand that it is a charity but that does not mean we have to have them run by second rate managers just because thy will not pay the going rate for good management.

Remember what year we are in. A good mechanic will do better than 100 grand.

Regards
DL

Hasn't the money the churches receive already been heavily taxed before it was tithed?

I am less concerned about church tax advantages than I am about complete tax shelters for the rich and money grabs for our politicians. Lots of churches in my city do meals and shelter for the homeless and marginalized and many other good works. In my community churches are community based and do good works. *meh, I'm okay with that*

Also no church lies to me. I don't chose to go. It's a choice.

Indeed but one that shows a low social conscience if you do not care that churches are lying to your neighbors.

Seems that you have closed your eyes to reality. Those in Africa say the same about their community churches but they are talking about the churches (good) record of killing little children that they think are witches thanks to their religion.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us whoare moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt theirparent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us allinto laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead butnot the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs infantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

Remember that you taxes and mine pay for what you saw above. Shame on both of us.

Regards
DL

 

[hunboldt]

FP- you've posted those 'vids' a dozen times. I suspect are all tired of them...

Hasn't the money the churches receive already been heavily taxed before it was tithed?

I am less concerned about church tax advantages than I am about complete tax shelters for the rich and money grabs for our politicians. Lots of churches in my city do meals and shelter for the homeless and marginalized and many other good works. In my community churches are community based and do good works. *meh, I'm okay with that*

Also no church lies to me. I don't chose to go. It's a choice.

Excellent point .I'd like to see tax exempt status restricted to the 'Parish level'.

 

[French Patriot]

FP- you've posted those 'vids' a dozen times. I suspect are all tired of them...



Excellent point .I'd like to see tax exempt status restricted to the 'Parish level'.

Yes. Their lies are better closer to the rank and file.

More bang for the buck.

Regards
DL

 

[damngrumpy]

Churches should pay taxes like everyone else. They should get a refund for
charitable work only. The problem is while churches have done much to
better society they have also turned religion into the Jesus Business and that
is unfortunate. We need a level of accountability.
I am not against religion but they have had a free ride for far too long.
The other issue of have is churches should not be excluded from obeying the
law of the land regardless of the law of the land. Churches are part of society
and as such they should be subject to all laws and should pay their share and
be rewarded with tax refunds like you and I.

 

[WLDB]

Hasn't the money the churches receive already been heavily taxed before it was tithed?

I am less concerned about church tax advantages than I am about complete tax shelters for the rich and money grabs for our politicians. Lots of churches in my city do meals and shelter for the homeless and marginalized and many other good works.

No reason why we cant do both. Its not an either or thing.

 

[Sal]

Indeed but one that shows a low social conscience if you do not care that churches are lying to your neighbors.

I don't know what my churches are saying to my neighbours and neither do you from watching a few videos which you choose to believe reflect the works of all churches.

Seems that you have closed your eyes to reality

Seems you wish to chose reality for all.

Those in Africa say the same about their community churches but they are talking about the churches (good) record of killing little children that they think are witches thanks to their religion.

And many nuns and priests have probably died saving babies and the starving. It would seem you want to generalize and make all good or all bad. That is not the way of the world nor the reality of any situation from my experience.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us whoare moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt theirparent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us allinto laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead butnot the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs infantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

Belief is neither good nor bad, rather it is the action which results in either good or bad.

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.

Evil will grow regardless.

Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

We are called to fight each according to their own gifts. Do not judge what is right for another for in doing so you add to the bad.

Remember that you taxes and mine pay for what you saw above. Shame on both of us.

Regards
DL

shame on no one... by saying that you are attempting to use the same type of manipulation as you accuse churches of doing.