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Of course he doesn't. No American would ever think they were at fault. They all see the US as a big benevolent entity that would do no harm to anyone and certainly would never have imperialistic designs on any country or region including the ones who are filthy rich in the natural resources America wants and needs.

Actually, Canada has all the resources America needs and the Canadians literally give their resources away to Americans. There is no need to control any country outside North America as long as Canada can be milked endlessly.
 

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Far be it for me to wish death on anybody, but if somebody had to be shot dead it is better that it be people like that sniper than ordinary, responsible people who don't brag about shooting Iraqi women.

He bragged about shooting Iraqi women?
 

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Nope. For a Canadian to be left of Americans is meaningless in terms of defining Canadian. To suggest that somebody is an ideologue merely for pointing with distaste at American war crimes doesn't even make sense.
Yes, we've established that in your eyes, firing a comedian who makes rape jokes is a war crime, if the perpetrator is American, but running two jetliners full of civilians into two buildings full of civilians is not a war crime, provided the victims are primarily American.
 

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You don't have a problem with war crimes being committed by Obama and his gang of American leftists do you? And you certainly wouldn't condemn Obama would you?

Sure. Mind you I haven't seen Obama invade anybody yet. Do you remember the 2010 Haiti earthquake? Obama made a tv appearance to announce US aid with a line up of US military brass, presumably generals, lined up behind him. Why does any national leader need generals behind him to announce a humanitarian effort? The nation is just plain and simple a military state - so close to being a police state that police traffic stops are routinely accompanied by pointed police weapons.

As to politics, you seem afraid that I'll pick on the right? If you know what signs in a government point to fascism, Republicans have them. Do some calm, unemotional, rational study in political science on what "fascist" means. It doesn't necessarily mean a society with a dictator and no vote. What it does strongly include is a government in close partnership (not legal "partners") with what is now called the military industrial complex. Then look for things like foreign military adventures, higher than normal military expenditures, authoritarian civil government (ie police) and culturally powerful industries. There are more indicators. Not all have to be present at any one time. A nation does not have to have an overt operating Holocaust to be fascist. America is fascist. Fascism is extreme right wing. That is the US today under either party.

He bragged about shooting Iraqi women?

The yank sniper Chris Kyle did, yes. He also went on a talk-show tv tour to brag and increase sales of the book he wrote about his hundreds of Iraqi kills. When he was shot by another vet suffering from PTSD (perhaps disgusted by his antics?) he was in the process of setting himself up in business as some kind of security/mercenary recruitment business.

Yes, we've established that in your eyes, firing a comedian who makes rape jokes is a war crime, if the perpetrator is American, but running two jetliners full of civilians into two buildings full of civilians is not a war crime, provided the victims are primarily American.

Good heavens what an illogical statement? Firing a comedian is a war crime? Maybe in a nation where every act must have some connection to guns and military. ROTFLMAO!

Like or or not the Twin Towers were a major strategic target. The fact that civilians worked there is irrelevant if a target is important enough to warrant attack. Civilians worked at the US naval base in Pearl Harbour and the Allies levelled most of WW2 Germany and Japan, too. Have standards changed since America became a target?

An interesting aspect of US lack of perspective is how they refuse to acknowledge the bravery of the terrorists in the 9-11 jets. If an American willingly went to his death in support of his political goals the airwaves would be full of it ad nauseum. Americans would be well advised to face reality. Because they have the most powerful military in the world they can and do get away with a lot of bullying. No nation can hit back no matter what the provocation - look at Iraq: 100,000 dead and they had nothing to do with 9-11. Any retaliation has to be by asymmetric means. Hey, if you don't like the ticket price please go home. It is one place on earth where America is welcome.
 
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Good heavens what an illogical statement? Firing a comedian is a war crime? Maybe in a nation where every act must have some connection to guns and military. ROTFLMAO!
You're the one who was ranting about Col. Ciero's desire to murder women and children, when you precisely one thing about him: that he had fired a comedian.

Like or or not the Twin Towers were a major strategic target. The fact that civilians worked there is irrelevant if a target is important enough to warrant attack. Civilians worked at the US naval base in Pearl Harbour and the Allies levelled most of WW2 Germany and Japan, too. Have standards changed since America became a target?
The World Trade Center was a military target? How exactly?

An interesting aspect of US lack of perspective is how they refuse to acknowledge the bravery of the terrorists in the 9-11 jets. If an American willingly went to his death in support of his political goals the airwaves would be full of it ad nauseum. Americans would be well advised to face reality. Because they have the most powerful military in the world they can and do get away with a lot of bullying. No nation can hit back no matter what the provocation - look at Iraq: 100,000 dead and they had nothing to do with 9-11. Any retaliation has to be by asymmetric means. Hey, if you don't like the ticket price please go home. It is one place on earth where America is welcome.
I fully acknowledge their bravery. And I had great sympathy for the Iraqis, and still do have for the Afghans, who were and are defending their countries from invasion. Most of the guys I know who've been there feel the same way.
 

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Sure. Mind you I haven't seen Obama invade anybody yet.

Your consciousness and powers of observation are undeveloped.


Do you remember the 2010 Haiti earthquake? Obama made a tv appearance to announce US aid with a line up of US military brass, presumably generals, lined up behind him. Why does any national leader need generals behind him to announce a humanitarian effort?

Obama lacked confidence and gravitas. He needed a supporting cast.

The nation is just plain and simple a military state - so close to being a police state that police traffic stops are routinely accompanied by pointed police weapons.

Intellectual confusion is not a virtue. A military state and a police state are not the same thing. Clarity of thought is crucial in any analysis.

As to politics, you seem afraid that I'll pick on the right?

Nah. I'm just looking for a fight. :)


If you know what signs in a government point to fascism, Republicans have them. Do some calm, unemotional, rational study in political science on what "fascist" means. It doesn't necessarily mean a society with a dictator and no vote. What it does strongly include is a government in close partnership (not legal "partners") with what is now called the military industrial complex. Then look for things like foreign military adventures, higher than normal military expenditures, authoritarian civil government (ie police) and culturally powerful industries. There are more indicators. Not all have to be present at any one time. A nation does not have to have an overt operating Holocaust to be fascist. America is fascist. Fascism is extreme right wing. That is the US today under either party...

Fascism is one of many forms of totalitarianism. The white working class in Amerika has no choice, but to become fascist.

If your consciousness was fully developed you would realize that the Amerikan left is equally totalitarian from a collectivist standpoint. Intellectual integrity demands that one seek the complete truth, not merely a partial truth.
 

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You're the one who was ranting about Col. Ciero's desire to murder women and children, when you precisely one thing about him: that he had fired a comedian.

He fired someone? That's not the way I read it but who knows? The actions of Herr Colonel are overtly fascist, issuing orders based on his personal taste to muzzle the freedom of expression of subordinates. They also sound distinctly US right wing religious – typical Tea Party. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - you know? If you disagree, bring him here and let us cross examine him. Fascism is US foreign policy. US foreign policy includes the deliberate killing of Third World women and children. America denies it vehemently even as it does it. It is pretty difficult to believe that civilian families machine gunned by hovering Hueys in the Euphrates River while trying to flee the Battle of Fallujah were "collateral". It seems pretty deliberate to me. These actions were part of the media battle reports at the time.

The World Trade Center was a military target? How exactly?


By its value to the nation. Like the USAF bombing German and Japanese cities in WW2, or Hanoi more recently. Your adversary gets to choose what he considers a worthwhile target. Just like Wickileaks referred to mini-gun carrying Hercules' spraying rural Bagdad by night with 7.62 NATO full metal jacket bullets just in case there were targets moving around after curfew. You know, randomly sprayed bullets that penetrate buildings including bedrooms at 2,800 feet per second and between 1,500 and 6,000 rounds per minute? That is between 24 and 100 rounds per second. Hearing a Yank whine about targets of choice somehow fails to ring my sympathy bell. Check the dictionary for "sympathy" - it's between"****" and "syphilis".

Speaking of America and syphilis, do you remember the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment? Here, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment:

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment[1]was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African American men who thought they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government.[1]

The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama; 399 who had previously contracted syphilis before the study began, and 201[2] without the disease. For participating in the study, the men were given free medical care, meals, and free burial insurance. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood", a local term for various illnesses that include syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. …
Where the article says that the black people involved were being studied to determine the “natural progression” of the disease, it means the government wanted to watch how they died of syphilis. As the article said, the experiment continued after the discovery of penicillin and the victims never did receive any treatment. It continued from 1932 until 1972. Did you know that syphilis causes structural brain damage and insanity in its terminal phase? An Internet report a few years ago said the same thing was done recently by a US agency in Central America, except with gonorrhea. You don’t believe me because I didn't keep the citation? No doubt. I wouldn’t want to believe that my country killed our citizens with VD to watch them die either, but yours does. When Dr. Mengele did the same kind of things in Nazi Germany he was called a war criminal. For some reason the term “war criminal” never seems to stick to American history no matter what America does? Go figure.

I fully acknowledge their bravery. And I had great sympathy for the Iraqis, and still do have for the Afghans, who were and are defending their countries from invasion. Most of the guys I know who've been there feel thesame way.

Good for y’all. Don’t let the US right wing find out or you might suffer a tax audit or worse. In the meantime the topic is about the US and its politics. All in all I would call America as evil as Nazi Germany in many ways and no better than America used to describe the USSR. While some of your opinions are to be congratulated, the topic isn't personal.

PS. From https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/10/01-6USApologizes for Syphilis and Gonorrhea Experiments on Guatemalans. USresearchers infected patients with STDs without their consent in the 1940s.

The Obama administration had a lawsuit based on the actions of the US government thrown out of court on a technicality. I guess it just doesn't pay to be non-white around people from the Land of Liberty and Freedom.





 
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He fired someone? That's not the way I read it but who knows? The actions of Herr Colonel are overtly fascist, issuing orders based on his personal taste to muzzle the freedom of expression of subordinates. They also sound distinctly US right wing religious – typical Tea Party. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - you know? If you disagree, bring him here and let us cross examine him. Fascism is US foreign policy. US foreign policy includes the deliberate killing of Third World women and children. America denies it vehemently even as it does it. It is pretty difficult to believe that civilian families machine gunned by hovering Hueys in the Euphrates River while trying to flee the Battle of Fallujah were "collateral". It seems pretty deliberate to me. These actions were part of the media battle reports at the time.



By its value to the nation. Like the USAF bombing German and Japanese cities in WW2, or Hanoi more recently. Your adversary gets to choose what he considers a worthwhile target. Just like Wickileaks referred to mini-gun carrying Hercules' spraying rural Bagdad by night with 7.62 NATO full metal jacket bullets just in case there were targets moving around after curfew. You know, randomly sprayed bullets that penetrate buildings including bedrooms at 2,800 feet per second and between 1,500 and 6,000 rounds per minute? That is between 24 and 100 rounds per second. Hearing a Yank whine about targets of choice somehow fails to ring my sympathy bell. Check the dictionary for "sympathy" - it's between"****" and "syphilis".

Speaking of America and syphilis, do you remember the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment? Here, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment:

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment[1]was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African American men who thought they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government.[1]

The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama; 399 who had previously contracted syphilis before the study began, and 201[2] without the disease. For participating in the study, the men were given free medical care, meals, and free burial insurance. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood", a local term for various illnesses that include syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. …
Where the article says that the black people involved were being studied to determine the “natural progression” of the disease, it means the government wanted to watch how they died of syphilis. As the article said, the experiment continued after the discovery of penicillin and the victims never did receive any treatment. It continued from 1932 until 1972. Did you know that syphilis causes structural brain damage and insanity in its terminal phase? An Internet report a few years ago said the same thing was done recently by a US agency in Central America, except with gonorrhea. You don’t believe me because I didn't keep the citation? No doubt. I wouldn’t want to believe that my country killed our citizens with VD to watch them die either, but yours does. When Dr. Mengele did the same kind of things in Nazi Germany he was called a war criminal. For some reason the term “war criminal” never seems to stick to American history no matter what America does? Go figure.



Good for y’all. Don’t let the US right wing find out or you might suffer a tax audit or worse. In the meantime the topic is about the US and its politics. All in all I would call America as evil as Nazi Germany in many ways and no better than America used to describe the USSR. While some of your opinions are to be congratulated, the topic isn't personal.

Know all about the Tuskeegee Experiments, thanks. And been audited seven times in the last twelve years. No problems.

 

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If your consciousness was fully developed you would realize that the Amerikan left is equally totalitarian from a collectivist standpoint.

If your reading comprehension and/or memory were up to the challenge you would realize that I am not in disagreement with that position. Have you noticed that alone in the civilized west America refuses to celebrate Labour Day? Take that to the next step and realize that "labour" is anybody outside the board room and you will see that America in 2013 is no different in terms of personal freedom than the England it rebelled from in 1775.

I would prefer a world free from war and violence but if the US is going about with it's imperialistic designs on the middle east killing military and civilians alike then I don't have a problem with those nations fighting back.

BTW: the US doesn't follow the Geneva Conventions, it just bitches when it's enemies don't follow them either.


Yes, you do!!!

I don't hate! It takes too much time and effort to hate. I just think the US displays hypocrisy on the grandest scale.

Well stated.

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Know all about the Tuskeegee Experiments, thanks. And been audited seven times in the last twelve years. No problems.

And still you defend America by attacking Canadians and calling them "dog****" for referring to America's dirty laundry? There is a disconnect between your actions and your words. I wonder if it has to do with something in the water there? That is why it is so unfortunate that yanks wear Canadian flags abroad. Under the maple leaf they are still yanks.
 

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And still you defend America by attacking Canadians and calling them "dog****" for referring to America's dirty laundry? There is a disconnect between your actions and your words. I wonder if it has to do with something in the water there? That is why it is so unfortunate that yanks wear Canadian flags abroad. Under the maple leaf they are still yanks.
Where did I call Canadians "dog****?"

To quote Det. Stan Kowalski, "I got no problem with Canadians."
 

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Where did I call Canadians "dog****?"

In one of your first replies to me. If that wasn't you I apologize.

Now back to the question. Why don't you reply to criticism of US actions by acknowledging the truth in some criticisms? Denial and counter-attack implies agreement with US foreign policy. If you don't agree with what they do why not say so? For instance your criticism of the attack on the Towers in New York. Why would you criticize the attack because of the target? If anybody did to America what America has been systematically doing to various Third World nations ever since WW2, America would have attacked them just liked it attacked Iraq. Not acknowledging that America is a participant in Middle East violence and not a blameless victim seems like deliberate avoidance of reality. Do you simply feel, "My country right or wrong"?
 

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In one of your first replies to me. If that wasn't you I apologize.
Best of my knowledge, it wasn't. I can't recollect ever calling Canadians anything of the sort.

No apology needed. These things get confused easily.

Now back to the question. Why don't you reply to criticism of US actions by acknowledging the truth in some criticisms? Denial and counter-attack implies agreement with US foreign policy. If you don't agree with what they do why not say so? For instance your criticism of the attack on the Towers in New York. Why would you criticize the attack because of the target? If anybody did to America what America has been systematically doing to various Third World nations ever since WW2, America would have attacked them just liked it attacked Iraq. Not acknowledging that America is a participant in Middle East violence and not a blameless victim seems like deliberate avoidance of reality. Do you simply feel, "My country right or wrong"?
I thought I did. I acknowledged the Tuskeegee Experiments, and I believe I expressed my sympathy (and let me add admiration) for the Iraqis and Afghans who fought the forces invading their countries with courage and tenacity.

“But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.”
Patrick O'Brian
 

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The yank sniper Chris Kyle did, yes. He also went on a talk-show tv tour to brag and increase sales of the book he wrote about his hundreds of Iraqi kills. When he was shot by another vet suffering from PTSD (perhaps disgusted by his antics?) he was in the process of setting himself up in business as some kind of security/mercenary recruitment business.


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And he bragged about killing Iraqi women?

In one of your first replies to me. If that wasn't you I apologize.

Now back to the question. Why don't you reply to criticism of US actions by acknowledging the truth in some criticisms? Denial and counter-attack implies agreement with US foreign policy. If you don't agree with what they do why not say so? For instance your criticism of the attack on the Towers in New York. Why would you criticize the attack because of the target? If anybody did to America what America has been systematically doing to various Third World nations ever since WW2, America would have attacked them just liked it attacked Iraq. Not acknowledging that America is a participant in Middle East violence and not a blameless victim seems like deliberate avoidance of reality. Do you simply feel, "My country right or wrong"?

And your country is somehow free of blood on its hands?



I beg to differ. Focus on cleaning your own backyard first OK?
 

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If your reading comprehension and/or memory were up to the challenge you would realize that I am not in disagreement with that position. Have you noticed that alone in the civilized west America refuses to celebrate Labour Day? Take that to the next step and realize that "labour" is anybody outside the board room and you will see that America in 2013 is no different in terms of personal freedom than the England it rebelled from in 1775.
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The fact that we agree is of no importance. I just don't like your attitude. I think it's the intellectual pomposity that is so off putting. When you refer to Labour Day I assume you are referring to May 1st. That date is Law Day in the US. We celebrate Labor Day in early September each year.