Self-driving Cars???

[Zipperfish]

As an attorney, I have to strongly oppose this idea. If people aren't allowed to act like flaming idiots and then pay big bucks to avoide the consequences of their actions, our livelihoods will be threatened.

I wonder when we'll get computer judges. Frankly, a large part of the effort in trials right now is all about attorneys playing to human psychological foibles in order to influence the decisions of judges and juries. Judegs are given wide latitude because of their expertise, there is a large and growing body of evidence showing that expertise tends to be quite overrated (especially by those who claim to have it). There's also a lot of evidence that bad judgments are more frequent than we would like to expect (for instacne the realization, with the advent of DNA technology, that eye-witness testimony is quite unreliable).

Read, for example, Thinking Fast and Slow, The Signal and the Noise and The Black Swan.

 

[petros]

I don't think the actual positioning was the issue with the GPS. It was the accuracy of the map it was using. In a field with a tractor, you are only using the positioning part which I agree is pretty accurate. But the maps leave much to be desired.

Another thought. If you were in this type of car, there would be no reason for you to follow a speed limit at all. You just have to go no faster than the reaction time required of the software. Stated reasons for not speeding (driver safety) no longer would apply.

It's more than just positioning. The contour of the land is known better and better with every pass. The transponder is running lead of the seeding equipment just milliseconds behind comparing to the database and real time. Every year it its more and more accurate with more and more databases and being integrated like radar data, soil temperature and moisture t data beamed from space for even better seed placement.

Road conditions don't need years to make leaps like grain production.

With every car that drives a road the more data that is collected. The second car will update the first the third the first the second and current. Within minutes a slippery spot and pothole will be well known about.

If a route has thousands of vehicle a day conditions can be updated real time. It's far more the GPS going on, it's an integration of data sources.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

It's more than just positioning. The contour of the land is known better and better with every pass. The transponder is running lead of the seeding equipment just milliseconds behind comparing to the database and real time. Every year it its more and more accurate with more and more databases and being integrated like radar data, soil temperature and moisture t data beamed from space for even better seed placement.

Road conditions don't need years to make leaps like grain production.

With every car that drives a road the more data that is collected. The second car will update the first the third the first the second and current. Within minutes a slippery spot and pothole will be well known about.

If a route has thousands of vehicle a day conditions can be updated real time. It's far more the GPS going on, it's an integration of data sources.

These would be GPSs of the future. My current GPS requires me to periodically purchase a new map and download it while attached to a computer. Those maps are not accurate in all instances. If you stick on the beaten path, they certainly are adaquate. But I would never trust my life to them in their current state. I will be curious at how Nissan handles this and whether it will require some sort of data connection in order to run which could also be an issue driving in certain areas without any type of 3G reception.

 

[petros]

A directional GPS in your car is a joke compared to what is used in industry and has been around for quite some time.

Shop around a little and browse the GNSS technology.

For example, the last few seconds of every landing in a commercial jet is done by computer and this isn't new. So far so good.

 

[#juan]

Secondary judgement and action: How many times have we been waiting at a stop sign watching a car approach with the signal light blinking indicating that he will turn down the street you are waiting at. You start to turn accross and the stupid sh it doesn't turn. Be interesting to see how a self driving vehicle would handle this. Maybe we should install a fifteen hundred watt sound system and some carefully selected swear words for those situations.

 

[petros]

They get to talk to each other. They'd know what the other is going to do.

 

[#juan]

They get to talk to each other. They'd know what the other is going to do.

You're assuming that all cars will be self driving. One day they will be, but not for a long time. Nissan wants to start selling these vehicles in 7 years but they are not going to be cheap, and not everyone will want them.

What an elephant looks like to a self driving car.

What An Elephant Looks Like To Google's Self-Driving Car

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

They get to talk to each other. They'd know what the other is going to do.

So all existing cars are going to be simutaneously replaced? The other car may not have this technology. And this may be a luxury add on like heated leather seats. It may not be common place unless mandated. And nobody is going to mandate forced abandonment of ones car to replace with a new model with this system.

So same question. Other car is not an upgraded model.

 

[petros]

You're assuming that all cars will be self driving. One day they will be, but not for a long time. Nissan wants to start selling these vehicles in 7 years but they are not going to be cheap, and not everyone will want them.

What an elephant looks like to a self driving car.

What An Elephant Looks Like To Google's Self-Driving Car

What does an elephant look like to you in the dark?

So all existing cars are going to be simutaneously replaced? The other car may not have this technology. And this may be a luxury add on like heated leather seats. It may not be common place unless mandated. And nobody is going to mandate forced abandonment of ones car to replace with a new model with this system.

So same question. Other car is not an upgraded model.

They don't need to be replaced or forced. Ships can be docked in busy harbours without other boats being part of any system. Even with man on steering, man would rely on the sonar, radar, and other real time satellite current data/tide data too.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

They don't need to be replaced or forced. Ships can be docked in busy harbours without other boats being part of any system. Even with man on steering, man would rely on the sonar, radar, and other real time satellite current data/tide data too.

So how would it react to somebody running a red light or suddenly making a left turn across its path? A human may be able to avoid this a certain percentage of the time. This automated system would have to match that percentage or improve on it. I am not convinced it can.

This also assumes one trusts computers completely.

 

[petros]

Radar and no foot to move.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Radar and no foot to move.

It would have to do the equivalent. I would have to calculate path avoiding collision, increase/decrease speed, change trajectory. Also compensating for each movement by the resistance which will apply (decelleration decreases turning circle for example). It would also need to know whether you were driving on gravel or pavement. Outside temperature -- is it icy? And of course did it just rain? It will be quite the computer which can compute all this fast enough to avoid a collision with another driver who will also be making his own corrective actions if he noticed his mistake in time.

 

[JLM]

The roads would be much safer given the preponderance of idiots who are on the roads now.

 

[B00Mer]

The roads would be much safer given the preponderance of idiots who are on the roads now.

I'm glad you think so.. one small problem though..

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Don't want to be the one to stick the bee in your bonnet, but could you imagine your car increasing speeds to 150km, no breaks and someone from their keyboard taking you for the ride of your life..

Weeeeee :lol:

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I'm glad you think so.. one small problem though..

Self-driving cars could bring a new world of hacking | TechHive

Don't want to be the one to stick the bee in your bonnet, but could you imagine your car increasing speeds to 150km, no breaks and someone from their keyboard taking you for the ride of your life..

Weeeeee :lol:

Please input your credit card number now to slow down ...

 

[petros]

It would have to do the equivalent. I would have to calculate path avoiding collision, increase/decrease speed, change trajectory. Also compensating for each movement by the resistance which will apply (decelleration decreases turning circle for example). It would also need to know whether you were driving on gravel or pavement. Outside temperature -- is it icy? And of course did it just rain? It will be quite the computer which can compute all this fast enough to avoid a collision with another driver who will also be making his own corrective actions if he noticed his mistake in time.

A car doing what traction control already does but can out think you is bad?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

A car doing what traction control already does but can out think you is bad?

I am not the guy who will be making a surprise left turn or running a yellowish-red light.

 

[spaminator]

Self-driving Cars???

wasn't that already invented in the 80s?

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[Sal]

I am loving this idea. Being a baby boomer, this could increase our independence for quite a number of years.

Should be ready within four years: Self-Driving Car Technology To Hit Canada 'Like A Tidal Wave': Transportation Advocate

 

[JLM]

I'm glad you think so.. one small problem though..

Self-driving cars could bring a new world of hacking | TechHive

Don't want to be the one to stick the bee in your bonnet, but could you imagine your car increasing speeds to 150km, no breaks and someone from their keyboard taking you for the ride of your life..

Weeeeee :lol:

No problem, you simply have a 2 way switch Manual mode/ Computer mode.