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L Gilbert

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Hobbits? Funny but boring people. I'm waiting for the Sith to arrive. And better yet, hot little Vulcans.

Whatever; people try all kinds of things to justify a belief in magic, usually boils down to conclusion first, then digging for anything that they can think of, twist, or invent to justify it. Meanwhile; reason suggests using evidence to point to a conclusion. Evidence from the Bible is simple hearsay. People wrote the books in it and who knows how those people thought, what led them to their thoughts, etc.? At the same time, science deals with evidence and facts that are testable and reproduceable. So who knows whether Moses had time, space, and matter in mind? Maybe the dude just wrote out a dream. Maybe he was just a nutcase. Too many maybes, questions, and not enough evidence.
 

darkbeaver

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Hobbits? Funny but boring people. I'm waiting for the Sith to arrive. And better yet, hot little Vulcans.

Whatever; people try all kinds of things to justify a belief in magic, usually boils down to conclusion first, then digging for anything that they can think of, twist, or invent to justify it. Meanwhile; reason suggests using evidence to point to a conclusion. Evidence from the Bible is simple hearsay. People wrote the books in it and who knows how those people thought, what led them to their thoughts, etc.? At the same time, science deals with evidence and facts that are testable and reproduceable. So who knows whether Moses had time, space, and matter in mind? Maybe the dude just wrote out a dream. Maybe he was just a nutcase. Too many maybes, questions, and not enough evidence.


Any science not sufficiently magical isn't worth the effort.


It is difficult to find a definite point of beginning for the elucidation, the story being closely knit of interrelated elements. But the door opens as well at verse one of the first chapter as anywhere else.

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And here at once we are faced with a most incompetent translation. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." It can not be said that this is utterly wrong; it is better to say that it doesn’t render the true and the full meaning. Learned scholars might know what the text means to say under such verbiage, as a sort of shorthand expression. But it has amounted to a crime to permit this terse and inadequate statement to go out in the world of unschooled devotees to shape their basic conception of life. No one perhaps can prescribe the exact words for a fully expressive translation. But something far closer to the inherent intent of the language would be a reading like the following: "Out of (their) primordial Being the Elohim engendered spirit and matter." To paraphrase it a little more elaborately, it might be put: "From out the depths of Infinite Being the Elohim formed the upper and the lower ranges of life." The upper and lower worlds, or heaven and earth, in ancient typology definitely connoted spirit and matter, for the upper are spiritual and the lower are material. The straight idea is: From the head source of Being the creative powers created life in its two aspects of spirit and matter.


The first verse of Genesis, then, states this initial event, the passing of life from uni-polarity to bi-polarity. Life must first bifurcate into subject and object. The statement must be taken, however, as purely philosophical, with abstract significance only; it does not refer to

The bifurcation of the One into positive and negative force to become the parent of all life is typified in the scriptures by several figures, the main one being the "cleft of the rock." The profound sense of this simple figure has been utterly missed by the theologians, learned or unlearned, for fifteen centuries. It was not discerned because the alphabet of the sacred language of sym

AB KUHN
LET THERE BE LIGHT ON GENISIS

Through these life comes to manifestation. A triangle is the first perfect figure because it is the first figure in which the line starting from source, going outward and bending in the direction of another dimension, comes back to unite with itself at point of departure. With great precision this matches the Platonic statement or analysis of the natural trinity of life. For they say that life becomes triadic or manifests triadically because it can do only three things: (1), it abides (on its own plane, unmoved); (2), it proceeds or energizes, affecting things beneath itself; and, (3), it converts back to its origin, or returns. And life force, deploying outward and passing through the triadic mode of activity, splits into the basic seven rays or modifications of its own nature. This is an indispensable fundamentum of the occult teaching of old. It is a great truth. And its validity is attested by no less an authority than Nature herself. Once religion is set up again on its original pedestal of impregnable natural fact, it may serve the mind of man with all its primal beneficence.
 

Corduroy

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But the far more important question is where did the hobbits come from?

Homo floresiensis (a.k.a. the hobbit) is a now extinct species of human tha inhabited the Indonesian island of Flores 12,000 years ago. Their origins are disputed and is part of an ongoing debate about the events of human evolution.

 

darkbeaver

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The Greeks illustrated the trinity by pointing to the threefold activity of solar light. That aspect of the light that glows in the sun is the Father; it abides. The emanation of it which proceeds from the center outward into space is the Son. And the cold dark light that is converted into luminous radiance by contact with earth’s surface is the working efficacy of the Holy Spirit. Verily it is one in three and three in one, for it is three forms of the one. And let us not miss another mighty philosophical moral that all this speaks to us: "Pure" undifferentiated spirit (let idealists note) can effectuate its release of latent power only by its contact with a material resistance! Only earth can bring to light the hidden powers of spirit. AB Kuhn

Homo floresiensis (a.k.a. the hobbit) is a now extinct species of human tha inhabited the Indonesian island of Flores 12,000 years ago. Their origins are disputed and is part of an ongoing debate about the events of human evolution.


Many of our ancient relatives tasted good.
 

Spade

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My thoughts parallel Dawkins'. However, George Coyne's views are to be respected. And, like both, I have little time for the creationist putsch in America and among some conservative ranks in Canada.
 

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"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

How do you divide up the universe?

The point is, it *did* get divided.

It started as an amorphic cloud of atoms that congealed into pellets that congealed into asteroids that congealed into planets, leaving behind empty space around it.

Hey wait, Motar. I'm still struggling to figure out how 2 each of 2 million (+change) species (plus food and whatnot) all loaded into Noah's tiny, little boat.

You can narrow it down a bit by eliminating species that can survive a flood. Sea-snakes and mosquitos for example.
 

JLM

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Hey wait, Motar. I'm still struggling to figure out how 2 each of 2 million (+change) species (plus food and whatnot) all loaded into Noah's tiny, little boat.

The one I'd like explained is how Jonah survived inside that whale for 3 days and 3 nights! I would think inside a whale it would be just one long night! Can someone shed some light on this? Pun intended!
 

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The one I'd like explained is how Jonah survived inside that whale for 3 days and 3 nights! I would think inside a whale it would be just one long night! Can someone shed some light on this? Pun intended!

He might have grabbed onto the glotis and held tight with his face pressed close to the blowhole. Eventually he got himself turned around so he could kick down the throat to produce a gag reflex.
 

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He might have grabbed onto the glotis and held tight with his face pressed close to the blowhole. Eventually he got himself turned around so he could kick down the throat to produce a gag reflex.

Sure glad to get to the bottom of that one. I've been in suspense for years!
 

L Gilbert

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Cool stuff. I really would like a conversation with either or both of these dudes, but at this point I'd like the conversation with George more than one with Dawkins. And I think I like George more than Dawkins.
A couple things stuck out that gave me questions; why assume there has to be a "prime mover", why assume there has to be a "beginning" to the universe(s), why assume that our brains are so limited in scope that we have to believe we are the big "IT" of this "creation" thing, why assume that our brains did not and do not just conjure up things like "spirit", "faith", and the like? There're more questions in me but I forgot a few as the conversation rolled along (I should have written them down).

Had to laugh over the bit about the "virgin" birth: the way I understand this issue is that the ancient Hebrew word for "virgin" was also the word for "young woman". Somewhere around 250 years before the assumed god-kid's birth, the Greeks omitted the part about an "alma" also meaning "young woman" and imposed the "virgin" definition on everyone. But predictions are pretty subject to interpretation, so the Greeks should not be blamed.

Cool stuff, thanks, Spade.

What are your thoughts on this subject, Spade?
What are yours?

The point is, it *did* get divided.

It started as an amorphic cloud of atoms that congealed into pellets that congealed into asteroids that congealed into planets, leaving behind empty space around it.



You can narrow it down a bit by eliminating species that can survive a flood. Sea-snakes and mosquitos for example.
Yes. Not so much mosquitos as their larvae, though. For mosquitos to have survived, they had to hang around the boat. Pretty much anything living that flies cannot fly 40 days and nights. :D They need food and rest.
 

darkbeaver

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I watched the vid by Mr Dawkins and Mr Coyne only until the supernatural bit. The demon Mr Coyne insists in the supernatural which is idolatry of the basest kind nothing can be super natural as god itself is the power and substance of nature. The demon Mr Dawkins is a celebrity science vendor who's never once asked an original question and never ever will, god bless his pointy little head. The ultimate exercise of reason is intuition. I would watch the rest of the vid if only my interweb conexion were faster and I had a case of beer to make the long boring parts bearable and if I could get out of an important and previously made Friday night engagement with substance abuse.