More Bible Science

[Spade]

Cool stuff. I really would like a conversation with either or both of these dudes, but at this point I'd like the conversation with George more than one with Dawkins. And I think I like George more than Dawkins.
A couple things stuck out that gave me questions; why assume there has to be a "prime mover", why assume there has to be a "beginning" to the universe(s), why assume that our brains are so limited in scope that we have to believe we are the big "IT" of this "creation" thing, why assume that our brains did not and do not just conjure up things like "spirit", "faith", and the like? There're more questions in me but I forgot a few as the conversation rolled along (I should have written them down).

Had to laugh over the bit about the "virgin" birth: the way I understand this issue is that the ancient Hebrew word for "virgin" was also the word for "young woman". Somewhere around 250 years before the assumed god-kid's birth, the Greeks omitted the part about an "alma" also meaning "young woman" and imposed the "virgin" definition on everyone. But predictions are pretty subject to interpretation, so the Greeks should not be blamed.

Those questions are debated here.
John Lennox vs. Peter Singer - Is There a God? | wwul.de - YouTube

 

[hunboldt]

Might be just the same arrogant use of the plural we find in the "Royal We," as in Queen Victoria supposedly saying "We are not amused." Plural just means more than one, not necessarily three, the son certainly made no appearance in the OT, and I don't recall the holy spirit showing up for anything either, there's not even a duality in Hebrew lore. The trinity is strictly a Christian concept. If you're perusing the Bible for evidence that it anticipates certain scientific ideas, no doubt you'll find something. It's a sufficiently large and complex document that you can, with the benefit of hindsight, always find what you're looking for, if you're willing to cherry pick and ignore context and history. But it's a mug's game.

Besides, universe=space+time+matter is the old Newtonian idea, it's been superseded by other ideas that provide a more accurate description.

No its not. French Patriot says only the evil first nine pages of Genesis are relevant..8O