Detroit Files for Bankruptcy

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The answer to this and your previous post are complex. I would refer you the Social Encyclicals of Leo XIII (Rerum Novarum), Pius XI (Quadragesimo Anno) and John Paul II (Sollicitudo Rei Socialis).. all comprehensively referenced to Scripture.

They are all available at Papal Encyclicals On Line. Not that i expect you to access them.. as i have the distinct impression that you are a troll with little interest in anything except casting sophistry laden barbs of little depth or substance.



The proper definition is the Nation State.. as they exist as a formal Constitutional entity.. including its current borders, governmnet, currency and judicial system.

So it's a poarticular Catholic interpretation?
 

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The answer to this and your previous post are complex. I would refer you the Social Encyclicals of Leo XIII (Rerum Novarum), Pius XI (Quadragesimo Anno) and John Paul II (Sollicitudo Rei Socialis).. all comprehensively referenced to Scripture.

They are all available at Papal Encyclicals On Line. Not that i expect you to access them.. as i have the distinct impression that you are a troll with little interest in anything except casting sophistry laden barbs of little depth or substance.



The proper definition is the Nation State.. as they exist as a formal Constitutional entity.. including its current borders, government, currency and judicial system. It includes a free flow of goods, credit and populations within those borders.
And when that changes, as it recently did in Sudan, does the "proper" basis for economics and trade change?
 

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So it's a poarticular Catholic interpretation?

Nobody else Christian or otherwise has offered anything else. Except the Calvinists.. who deem riches and poverty as predestined by the grace of God.. and any coordinated attempt to develop an economy with equitably shared wealth and planned growth.. as blasphemy. That essentially forms the theological rationale for Libertarianism.
 

Machjo

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Nobody else Christian or otherwise has offered anything else. Except the Calvinists.. who deem riches and poverty as predestined by the grace of God.. and any coordinated attempt to develop an economy with equitably shared wealth and planned growth.. as blasphemy. That essentially forms the theological rationale for Libertarianism.

Social and Economic Development

Consultation is an extremely important element of economic development, whether locally, nationally, or internationally. Why place barriers between people?
 

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And when that changes, as it recently did in Sudan, does the "proper" basis for economics and trade change?


Nations are living things.. they dissolve, re-assemble.. re-organize..that does not change the fundamental principle that the ONLY institutions that can represent the people are those of the Nation State as currently constituted. As we have seem with IMF, WTO, World Bank and many otheres.. all supra national agencies are controlled by oligarchical trading and banking cartels.. with absolutely no interest the general welfare of people.
 

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Nations are living things.. they dissolve, re-assemble.. re-organize..that does not change the fundamental principle that the ONLY institutions that can represent the people are those of the Nation State as currently constituted. As we have seem with IMF, WTO, World Bank and many otheres.. all supra national agencies are controlled by oligarchical trading and banking cartels.. with absolutely no interest the general welfare of people.

Bible prophecy does guide us to an eventual world society. 'Thy kingdom come, in earth, as it is in heaven...'.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Nations are living things.. they dissolve, re-assemble.. re-organize..that does not change the fundamental principle that the ONLY institutions that can represent the people are those of the Nation State as currently constituted. As we have seem with IMF, WTO, World Bank and many otheres.. all supra national agencies are controlled by oligarchical trading and banking cartels.. with absolutely no interest the general welfare of people.
Hey, I'm happy to exclude the IMF, WTO, and World Bank if it means we also get to tell the Catholic Church to eff off.
 

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It boils down to the holy declaration from the all-seeing eye that profits must be maximized for shareholders, such that nothing else matters, and it gets the MBAs hired to manage the show into a bind...

To say that nothing else matters would be a bit of a stretch, BUT it is one of the most important things that matters. It's really pretty plain and simple, drive the shareholders away and there goes all the jobs. Shareholders invest their money where they can get the best return.
 

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Hmm... well... Detroit's demise has been due to *Capitalist* powers moving jobs elsewhere or overseas, so in terms of *effect*, what would Ayn Rand say is the difference between Statism and Unfettered-Capitalism?
Most Fords, Chevies and Chryslers sold in NA are still mde in NA, just no longer in Detroit. All to do with the city and state government.
 

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1. The disease is Global Free Markets.. and one symptom is Detroit.

2. so you have a better explanation. My sources are some the most sophisticated and brilliant theologians.. and scientists.. of the last 2 millennia.. all of whom see the logical necessity of a manifest evil in any explanation of a rational universe.

3. To the extent that both are beguiled by power, greed, sloth, lust of insatiable apetites and general dissolution there is a great deal of similarity between the prevailing culture of Wall Street and what you'd find in a 'gay' village.

Your "sources" are theocrats with their own agenda and not much basis in fact.
 

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Odd remark considering tecumseh is indigenous and that the RC Church was involved in the residential schools system, unless I misunderstood your point?
The particular bible-bashers who ran my school weren't Catholic, but the harm the Catholic church has done to Indians (and its own members) is horrific.
 

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Most Fords, Chevies and Chryslers sold in NA are still mde in NA, just no longer in Detroit. All to do with the city and state government.

I believe they are still making some G.M. products in Detroit. Some Ford trucks are made in Ky. I know.
 

Machjo

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Your "sources" are theocrats with their own agenda and not much basis in fact.

Well even theocrats can be right sometimes... however, if the best argument he can say is that there is a valid argument against free trade locked up in ssome Vatican vault, that does not work for me. I assume he's read this great argument and could explain it to us, or at lest provide a link, no?
 

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Well even theocrats can be right sometimes... however, if the best argument he can say is that there is a valid argument against free trade locked up in ssome Vatican vault, that does not work for me. I assume he's read this great argument and could explain it to us, or at lest provide a link, no?

It would be impossible to make a valid argument against the two words "free trade" that is why the term was selected to in the first place.
Of course there nothing free involved and it has little to do with real trade. You could not have christined it "middle class destruction" and have gotten the same popular support.
 

Machjo

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It would be impossible to make a valid argument against the two words "free trade" that is why the term was selected to in the first place.
Of course there nothing free involved and it has little to do with real trade. You could not have christined it "middle class destruction" and have gotten the same popular support.

And how does free trade destroy the middle class?
 

darkbeaver

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And how does free trade destroy the middle class?

Well if it was free and trade it wouldn't see I told you they named it that so people wouldn't be suspicious, and you weren't. Free trade sent the middle class jobs over there, free trade gave much greater power to the corporations. Just wait till they institute the TPP.
 

JLM

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And how does free trade destroy the middle class?

I've always understood "free trade" to be a good thing, but from what I hear lately apparently not, but I'm not just sure of what the ramifications of it are. Doesn't "free trade" just mean no tariffs? Like I know years ago when I used to shop across the line I didn't pay duty on most things produced in North America. For me that was good.