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[JLM]

There you go again. Why does having responsibility exclude terminating a pregnancy? I've asked this question several times and received no answer... let alone a good one

If I gave it to you would you accept it? I'm guessing no! I don't believe in all situations it does. I don't believe it does in a situation where it would be certain death for the mother and I don't believe it does in a situation where the life of the child would be profoundly compromised. Aside from those two reasons for sure, human life is sacred and everything possible should be done to prolong it until the point where the life is no longer worth living. Reasons like don't want kids, can't afford kids, kids will cramp my lifestyle aren't good reasons. Unless we know otherwise we have to assume the child will be born healthy and there are thousands of people wishing to adopt.

Aha, so just let me clarify your position. You're saying that abortion should be excluded from personal responsibility because having a baby is the end result of getting pregnant, so if one gets pregnant one must be responsible and carry the baby to term. Is that right?

One of the most sensible statements I've seen for awhile! - Your good sense is amazing!

 

[captain morgan]

You said I left out some steps. What are the steps?

Steps in the logic that were articulated above

 

[Corduroy]

If I gave it to you would you accept it? I'm guessing no! I don't believe in all situations it does. I don't believe it does in a situation where it would be certain death for the mother and I don't believe it does in a situation where the life of the child would be profoundly compromised. Aside from those two reasons for sure, human life is sacred and everything possible should be done to prolong it until the point where the life is no longer worth living.

That's an argument for preserving human life, not a argument for personal responsibility.

Reasons like don't want kids, can't afford kids, kids will cramp my lifestyle aren't good reasons.

Why not?

One of the most sensible statements I've seen for awhile! - Your good sense is amazing!

So what I stated in that quote is your position? Because like I said above, you haven't actually given an argument for personal responsibility, and that is one.

 

[Sal]

If it is destiny, then it's destiny. Regardless of whether part of that fate involves the pressures or, described more accurately, the suggestions of groups (religious or otherwise) to do this or that.

I'm interpreting your argument as you wanting to drink from both sides of the cup here.

On one hand, it's destiny and on the other, it's a moral obligation of society to assume responsibility for the irresponsibility of others.

I do not believe in destiny, I believe in personal choice. The two are exclusive. I make my choices based on the best information I have "at the time".

I personally drink from any side of the cup which best informs me or which I think is right or makes sense for me. I can not dictate what society does nor does not do for a human being in great and desperate need. I know some societies do more, others do less. It will depend upon the evolutionary state of the individuals that comprise that society.

I know I persoanlly suffer great anguish knowing others around me experience such pain, thus I respond when I can. That is my choice. I can not place empathy nor understanding nor compassion in another's heart. That is their journey and they will pull to them experiences to help learn the lessons that they need in order to move forward. I can speak of what I believe and I can speak of what I have experienced but that is all I can do.

 

[Corduroy]

Steps in the logic that were articulated above

No they weren't. You think you said something in that post, but you actually didn't. I tried a polite way of asking you to be less vague, but now I just have to tell you: your attempts to sound logical and articulate resulted in you saying nothing at all.

 

[DaSleeper]

Really? if you want to participate in a thread discuss it not the people in it. If you are incapable of that, then just read. If you have something to say, make it direct, if you have a comment for me i invite you to, make it.
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Shoes have a way of fitting people they weren't meant for .....I guess......

 

[petros]

Really? if you want to participate in a thread discuss it not
the people in it. If you are incapable of that, then just read. If you have
something to say, make it direct, if you have a comment for me i invite you to,
make it.

You have to stoop to his level for him to understand....

 

[DaSleeper]

You have to stoop to his level for him to understand....

And You would have to go up several floor, to even come close.

Just for you
Proverbs18:2

 

[Sal]

Shoes have a way of fitting people they weren't meant for .....I guess......

I guess, if labeling someone something, and then running away is your style. Is it your style?

What is gained by comments such as this DaSleeper, I don't get it?

Why would you not address me directly, why would you not just say what you think right to me instead of discussing me with another forum member right in the thread.

Explain please I am truly curious as to what your intent was.

 

[captain morgan]

I do not believe in destiny, I believe in personal choice. The two are exclusive. I make my choices based on the best information I have "at the time".

Did you not say earlier that the fetus makes the decision? If that's the case, then the entity made the decision to remain to term and took the chance (or possibly chose) to remain in a dysfunctional parental circumstance.

Personal choice here Sal.

No they weren't. You think you said something in that post, but you actually didn't. I tried a polite way of asking you to be less vague, but now I just have to tell you: your attempts to sound logical and articulate resulted in you saying nothing at all.

Oh, I said everything that needed to be said.

If you wish to cheery-pick certain elements to support a position and ignore the relevant details, that's your decision.

 

[DaSleeper]

I guess, if labeling someone something, and then running away is your style. Is it your style?

What is gained by comments such as this DaSleeper, I don't get it?

Why would you not address me directly, why would you not just say what you think right to me instead of discussing me with another forum member right in the thread.

Explain please I am truly curious as to what your intent was.

Quote me the post I answered or quoted where your name was mentioned1

 

[Sal]

Did you not say earlier that the fetus makes the decision?

yes

If that's the case, then the entity made the decision to remain to term and took the chance (or possibly chose) to remain in a dysfunctional parental circumstance.

how is that a known? perhaps perhaps not as a dependent upon another it will then be influenced by others who may or may not help the parent, what choices the parent makes what choices strangers make, all of that will impact the child, and that is an unknown. We are not solitary everything is intertwined, nothing is isolated and nothing is accidental.

Personal choice here Sal.

very much so You are saying IF life unfolds in such a manner then that excuses your lack of desire to help another in need because they have chosen their path. That is your choice. Yes.

I see another's need as an opportunity to help.

We both agree here...(that is your choice and that is my choice. How we choose to respond to those around us will then determine what we pull to us. Energy out, energy back. Good energy out will pull good experiences back and bad will do like.

That is why so many atheists do so well in this world. They live rationally, logically, they harm none... good things happen.

 

[DaSleeper]

When did Canadians abolish the education system?... It's news to me

The post before mine

Captain: You're wasting your time arguing with these

s

The post that seems to have your panties in a twist......no mention of your name anywhere......
Now if you feel pointed directly in any way , the problem is yours and you own it.!

 

[PoliticalNick]

... The fetus/embryo did not make the decision to 'exist' in the first place

None of us did....your argument is invalid!

 

[Sal]

Quote me the post I answered or quoted where your name was mentioned1

my name was not mentioned, none were, which is precisely why it is so insidious...it could have been me, or pete or anyone, OR it could have been no one... see what I am saying?

it is phishing, put crap out there, see who swarms it then call them guilty, laugh at them, mock them, call them stupid because they responded and then feel all self rightous or not...tuck it away like a little gem of blackness for when one feels down,

it is like dropping a word bomb and walking away ... one can claim clean hands but in reality it is anything but

 

[petros]

I guess, if labeling someone something, and then running away is your style. Is it your style?

What is gained by comments such as this DaSleeper, I don't get it?

Why would you not address me directly, why would you not just say what you think right to me instead of discussing me with another forum member right in the thread.

Explain please I am truly curious as to what your intent was.

left!

And You would have to go up several floor, to even come close.

Just for you
Proverbs18:2

You missed a step.

 

[Sal]

The post before mine



The post that seems to have your panties in a twist......no mention of your name anywhere......
Now if you feel pointed directly in any way , the problem is yours and you own it.!

aha yes that is precisely what I have said you are doing, you do it frequently, I am calling you on it.

post to the OP not to the people in the discussion... it does not put my panties in a twist, you are too lazy to argue the point so you point and mock and run away

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

... The fetus/embryo did not make the decision to 'exist' in the first place

Neither did you. But thanks for the non-responsive comment.

 

[DaSleeper]

aha yes that is precisely what I have said you are doing, you do it frequently, I am calling you on it.

post to the OP not to the people in the discussion... it does not put my panties in a twist, you are too lazy to argue the point so you point and mock and run away

Some things are meant to be mocked, The OP to start with and the whole stupid thread in general......So pardon me if I don't give sh*te when the pseudo intellectuals or motormouths are insulted by my remarks, I'm definitely not PC and never claimed to be!!

 

[petros]

That is your excuse for the minimal relevant content you contribute around here?

Just as thin and intellectually empty as everything else you post.