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[petros]

I oppose abortion too, but Sal did have a point. It's like: don't abort the baby, but once it's born, your on your own. If a baby has rights in the womb, then a child has rights outside the womb, including access to quality educaiotn regardless of the parents' right to pay. The community is responsible for its children.

Nobody is "on their own". The amount of support for a woman with child in Canada is stellar.

People have made it a left/right issue long before I came along.....and your pseudo neutrality is a sham and so is your obsession.

They did? Are you saying morals are left/right political attributes and have SFA to do with being a human? My pseudo neutrality?

If you want to fly your f*cking flag with crooks, cheats and liars you go right the f*ck ahead.

A man your age should have grown out of such a pathetic and petty thoughts 40 years ago.

WTF happened to you?

What is your excuse?

How are you going to Tena Twist your way out of this one?

 

[Machjo]

In the USA a significant portion of abortions are performed solely for convenience and as a form of contraception for people who are too lazy or too stupid to use contraceptives.

Is abortion for convenience ok with you folks?

No it's not, but neither is sneaking a law into another law either. They should at least have the balls to rpesent a separate bill and discuss it properly, making it clear what they're trying to do.

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[Walter]

Nobody is "on their own". The amount of support for a woman with child in Canada is stellar.

As it is in the States.

 

[petros]

How are you going to Tena Twist your way out of this one?

Like that?

Yup, you haven't outgrown your pathetic and childish ways.

You're bald, sh*t your pants, cry about f*cking everything and are reliant on everyone else.

Just like a baby. A leftie baby.

As it is in the States.

I'd love to pack everybody on a plane to a third world country and let them spend some time absorbing reality.

Upon returning home, not a single one will bitch about being shorted ever again.

 

[Machjo]

I heard an interview with an abortion doctor in New York (I believe) a few years back. He noticed a disproportionate number of his regular patients were Catholic. Curious, he started asking them why they had abortions when it was considered a major sin in their religion. The answer he got surprised him. They said that birth control was also a sin. If they took the pill, that amounted to about 24 or more sins a month while, having an abortion every few months or so only amounted to 2 or 3 sins a year. Besides, they just had to go to confession and the slate was wiped clean.

You may be telling the truth, but I have a hard time believing it. If true, it would be shocking.

 

[Sal]

... The fetus/embryo did not make the decision to 'exist' in the first place

you do not in fact know that, because in my belief system, we do

 

[captain morgan]

you do not in fact know that, because in my belief system, we do

Alright... Murder it is

 

[Sal]

Conflict comes from opposing views. One assumes that human life is sacred above all others, that it is more important, somehow more valued by god. My view is that none of that is true, that human life is only part of the whole, only a cog in the wheel. Taking the life of any living thing is equal in my eyes, and I give abortion no more importance than the cow that is killed for the steak I am going to eat tonight. Human self importance is the cause of most death and destruction on this planet. We have become a cancer on this living biosphere and one less little egotistical bugger screwing up this planet is a gawd send to every other life form on this planet. All of this destruction is based on the BS claim that we were created in the image of some imaginary god. The more I read the self righteous horse shyte in this thread, the more I think the extinction of this species can't come soon enough.

yeah I am very shocked and frankly saddened by some of the opinions in this thread

 

[Cliffy]

Alright... Murder it is

It is a little more complicated than that. We also choose our parents, the handicaps we have in life and how long or short our life is. We may also choose not to be born. At a particular stage of development we may become aware of the environment we are being born into and realize that we don't want this parent or life circumstance. There are as many variables as there are individuals. It may look like a fetus is being terminated against its will, but I don't believe it is. It chooses to be part of the drama of that person's life to enhance their learning process.

 

[petros]

You may be telling the truth, but I have a hard time believing it. If true, it would be shocking.

It's not true. Do these women have bar codes or something that he can tell who is and who isn't Catholic or is he basing it on how many are visually of Hispanic and Italian cultural backgrounds?

Cliffy has some warped Church hate going on.

 

[Sal]

I'd love to pack everybody on a plane to a third world country and let them spend some time absorbing reality.

Upon returning home, not a single one will bitch about being shorted ever again.

3rd world...who needs 3rd world we have hungery, sick, abandoned, homeless, beaten, people right here if people could remove the scales from their eyes and see...there is need every where around us.

 

[DaSleeper]

Like that?

Yup, you haven't outgrown your pathetic and childish ways.

You're bald, sh*t your pants, cry about f*cking everything and are reliant on everyone else.

Just like a baby. A leftie baby.

I'd love to pack everybody on a plane to a third world country and let them spend some time absorbing reality.
.

Am I getting to you?... know-it-all little man????
Carry on.......

 

[petros]

it is a little more complicated than that. We also choose our parents, the handicaps we have in life and how long or short our life is. We may also choose not to be born. At a particular stage of development we may become aware of the environment we are being born into and realize that we don't want this parent or life circumstance. There are as many variables as there are individuals. It may look like a fetus is being terminated against its will, but i don't believe it is. It chooses to be part of the drama of that person's life to enhance their learning process.

wtf???

 

[Sal]

Alright... Murder it is

murder? Sorry, I don't know what that means?



you said the fetus did not chose to be here, I believe it did.

 

[petros]

Am I getting to you?... know-it-all little man????
Carry on.......

F*ck no. You don't have the smarts to find my buttons let alone push them.

 

[Sal]

It is a little more complicated than that. We also choose our parents, the handicaps we have in life and how long or short our life is. We may also choose not to be born. At a particular stage of development we may become aware of the environment we are being born into and realize that we don't want this parent or life circumstance. There are as many variables as there are individuals. It may look like a fetus is being terminated against its will, but I don't believe it is. It chooses to be part of the drama of that person's life to enhance their learning process.

yes you understand what I am saying, we have a very, very similar belief system, we can not actually 'remove anyone before their time' as we have had a hand in all too.

 

[petros]

If they choose their parents and destiny, why are so many devastated when they realize they are gay?

If it were a choice made from in the spirit world, it would be expected by the soul and not torment it.

 

[Cliffy]

wtf???

Exactly. The time and space of one lifetime is not enough to absorb all the complexity oh life. There is far more to our reality than we have been told. Once you step outside the confines of dogma you begin (only begin) to see the bigger picture. It would be impossible to relate the complexity of what I have learned within the confines of one thread.

And I don't have some warped hatred of the church. I see it for what it is and for what it has done, both the good and the evil and I see that it has long out lived its purpose. It has become corrupt to the core just like every other human institution that has ever existed. It is inevitable. It is the nature of human institutions.

 

[petros]

What confines of dogma?