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Cliffy - That is how Bear responds to a point from his wife - Yes Dear - Right away dear - Well of course Dear.
Watch the spelling.
Maybe.
Gotchya. I wasn't trying to say anything. Just sayin'.
That would all depend on the quantity of Devils trumpet in the kinicinic.
You forgot the most important, "Sorry dear" And since her name in English is "Two Deers"...
Either spelling is OK.
Some people even fear them.
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I really dont care if people choose to read the Bible (Old or New), Quran, or Torah. We are all free to do as we please with our minds and lives. If someone feels that they have found the answers to the questions they are asking in a bible, then iam happy for those people because they are getting what they want out of life.
Modern biblical chapter and verse divisions did not exist in the original texts. These were inserted later by those who compiled the writings into the book (Bible) we have today. Some of the chapter and verse divisions artificially divide up the record. In determining biblical timeline, it is more reliable and accurate to look at words like "then" and "now" in order to determine when one account ends and another one begins.
Moses is the presumed author of Genesis (and the rest of the Pentateuch). He wasn't an eyewitness to creation. His knowledge about what happened in the beginning would be a combination of Divine inspiration, human verbal tradition, and personal experience. His premier education in Egypt and in Pharoah's palace influenced his unique writing style. Moses' account in Genesis reads like that of a journalist. Genesis 1 provides a broad chronological overview of creation events. Genesis 2 intentionally moves in with a zoom lens to fill in some "human interest" details not reported in chapter 1.
Moses is the presumed author of Genesis (and the rest of the Pentateuch). He wasn't an eyewitness to creation. His knowledge about what happened in the beginning would be a combination of Divine inspiration, human verbal tradition, and personal experience. His premier education in Egypt and in Pharoah's palace influenced his unique writing style. Moses' account in Genesis reads like that of a journalist. Genesis 1 provides a broad chronological overview of creation events. Genesis 2 intentionally moves in with a zoom lens to fill in some "human interest" details not reported in chapter 1.
Having been raised by pharaoh in his home, Moses would have been taught the ancient religion of Egypt and more than likely was a high priest of that religion. This would explain why the later story of Jesus would have such a profound resemblance to Horus. There actually is no evidence of an exodus from Egypt by the Israelites and Moses was probably just as much a fictional character as the Christ. Moses did not write Genesis. Most of the stories were oral until captivity in Babylon when they were written down. Most of the stories were borrowed from the Sumerians, Babylonians and Egyptians. Similarly, the NT was borrowed from several of the most influential religions of the day, which would explain why so many of the teachings of Jesus had a very distinct Buddhist flavour.
Most of the interpretations of the biblical stories are speculative at best, which is why there are over 35 thousand different Christian sects. I wasn't around at the time of the OT or the NT, so any insight into what actually happened could only be speculative. I can only give my best guess about the subject based on 40 years of study, hundreds of books and discussions with hundreds of people. There are many thousands more books and people that I will never get to study in this life time.
What do you base your assumptions on? What have you studied outside the bible?
My posts concern biblical linguistics, Cliffy. I am commenting on the language cues in the Genesis passages referenced by the original question in this thread. Your posts contain history references. Our frames of reference in this discussion are quite different.
Without the historical references, the stories are meaningless. Many people who have referenced the biblical texts begin with a misconception; that they are the undisputed word of god. They dissect the texts looking for meaning, looking to prove something that is not there. The history of the books shows irrefutable proof that the stories are metaphorical and allegorical; lessons about life, not a literal historical text,not a reference to some patriarchal god and his son. The Jesus story is about showing humans their spiritual potential. They are not about worshiping and adoring, about faith or belief. They are a guidebook to spiritual enlightenment in this life, An awakening to "the kingdom of heaven within".
But the linguistics have been altered over the last 2000 years by those who have twisted the message for their own personal power and control over humanity. The message has very little to do with the original teachings of love, brotherhood and tolerance. If Jesus were to return he would be aghast at what humans have done with his teachings. He would also be put to death by those who profess to being his followers.
If you want to understand the Bible, you'll have to invent a time machine that will take you back to the times when the books in it were written, learn Aramaic, Ancient Hebrew, and Greek, study the people and their customs in order to get some insight into their thought patterns, etc. ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
Short of that, the Bible can be boiled down to a pamphlet containing a handful of directives such as worship, fear, and love Yahweh, and the "Golden Rule" (which has been around longer than Christianity and probably longer than Judaism).
Short of that, the Bible can be boiled down to a pamphlet containing a handful of directives such as worship, fear, and love Yahweh, and the "Golden Rule" (which has been around longer than Christianity and probably longer than Judaism).
Genesis one and two its like some movie sequel. I read this stuff as a kid and just
like my sports memorabilia cards I gave it up for almost anything worthwhile.
Not saying there is no God or the like its just that man has taken over and created
his and her own version of God and Christ and the whole family as it were.
The Bible has been written many times over to spread the word those in power
wanted spread.
The New Testament is a compromise of the four leading contenders to lead the Church.
It turns out the book wasn't about Christ it was about satisfying the Ego's of four men
who wanted to lead. That also meant there are about two dozen Gospels that were left
out or ignored completely.
like my sports memorabilia cards I gave it up for almost anything worthwhile.
Not saying there is no God or the like its just that man has taken over and created
his and her own version of God and Christ and the whole family as it were.
The Bible has been written many times over to spread the word those in power
wanted spread.
The New Testament is a compromise of the four leading contenders to lead the Church.
It turns out the book wasn't about Christ it was about satisfying the Ego's of four men
who wanted to lead. That also meant there are about two dozen Gospels that were left
out or ignored completely.
The synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke) emphasize the humanity of Jesus. John's gospel highlights the divinity of Christ. Matthew's record was written to the Jews (religious folk), Mark's gospel was directed towards the Romans (politically-minded), and Luke's account was designed for the Greeks (intellectuals).
The first nine pages of Genesis ,up to the departure of Abraham have to be read as 'wild parable and preamble' ,in my humble semi Christian opinion.
To debate the biology, physics, etc., of anything before Chapter 12 of Genesis is , well, no offense meant- but you might as well believe in the 'Mermaid kingdom' of Indo European mythology.
The mermaid story is prettier.
good point Goober....
A lot of our 'underpinning' is Nordic indo European mythology, and the 'heavy hitting Xmens' instinctively recoil. The Mermaid queen who mates with the human adventurer is a fixture of the IE mythology...
The mermaid 'kingdom ' is a fixture of pre Christian IndoEuropean traditions, where the more advanced forms of life live in underwatercolonies...Celtic gods and water goddesses, etc. It's a function of areligion built on marshlands and clear rivers, rather than on deserttraditions, where water sources dry up - get stagnant, and the sea is the'terrifying mysterious' the abode of monsters and demons. Where the winter ice cocoons the perfect kingdom from the harsh winters..
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