Morgentaler ,,,,,DEAD !

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Cliffy

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That was in response to me informing my family about the abortion suggestion/implication of Autistic children. It was referring to the ignorant piece of garbage that made the suggestion/implication.
And I was referring to your constant state of anger on the subject. It is irrational to think you have a superior position or moral stance on any subject. Judge not... and all that.
 

L Gilbert

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The infants receive the death sentence because they are INCONVENIENT..
... and abortions are convenient and women get abortions based upon a spur of the moment idea? 99.99%? uhuh
About 1/2 of all pregnancies in the States are unexpected. A report in 2000 by the National Research Council showed 1/2 of all pregnancies resulted in prenatal, postnatal death, or an otherwise less than healthy baby.

It'd help if you had a clue about the topic before you spew your archaic, draconian, and bombastic religious opinions around.
 

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... and abortions are convenient and women get abortions based upon a spur of the moment idea? 99.99%? uhuh
About 1/2 of all pregnancies in the States are unexpected. A report in 2000 by the National Research Council showed 1/2 of all pregnancies resulted in prenatal, postnatal death, or an otherwise less than healthy baby.

Methinks those "statistics" are a tad high, but then I've always maintained (much to Sir Joseph's chagrin) statistics are often Bullsh*t! -:)
 

gerryh

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... and abortions are convenient and women get abortions based upon a spur of the moment idea? 99.99%? uhuh
About 1/2 of all pregnancies in the States are unexpected. A report in 2000 by the National Research Council showed 1/2 of all pregnancies resulted in prenatal, postnatal death, or an otherwise less than healthy baby.

It'd help if you had a clue about the topic before you spew your archaic, draconian, and bombastic religious opinions around.


Link to report, and you would have to be brain dead to be surprised to get pregnant after having sex.

And I was referring to your constant state of anger on the subject. It is irrational to think you have a superior position or moral stance on any subject. Judge not... and all that.


I see...... it's irrational to get upset over the murder of thousands upon thousands of innocents every year through abortion.

I guess no one should have gotten upset by the murders perpetrated by Olson, or Bernardo/Holmolka, or........ especially since these were only in the double digit counts at most.
 

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gerryh

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If one or both people had used contraceptives, yeah, it would be a surprise to rational people. It'd be even more brain-dead to expect people not to have sex for fun.


Contraceptives are NOT 100% effective. This is something I have known since "I" was a teen.
 

Cliffy

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I see...... it's irrational to get upset over the murder of thousands upon thousands of innocents every year through abortion.

I guess no one should have gotten upset by the murders perpetrated by Olson, or Bernardo/Holmolka, or........ especially since these were only in the double digit counts at most.
Getting upset by stuff that is beyond your control is irrational and hazardous to your health. You conduct yourself and raise your family according to your moral standards. What other people do is beyond your control. Cars kill more people than abortionists. Wars kill more. Deer kill hundreds every year.

Millions of innocent animals are killed every year and consumed by humans. I don't like it but it is not something I can do anything about, nor do I want to. And no. I don't think humans are any more important than any other life form on this planet. If you believe in a god that created all this life, then killing any of it is is no different than aborting a life. Animals do it all the time and nobody gives a hoot.

I'm just concerned that one day you will blow a gasket with all that anger.
 

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L Gilbert

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The actual report costs 64.00 u.s. Something I'm not willing to pay. Therefore I call BS on the figures cited and suggest that they are rounded up and the comment about 50% is not completely factual. Just like your "40% unwanted" is not factual but instead is a twist and opinion.
lol Call it whatever you want I could not care less. The stats are probably available elsewhere so come up with your own.

BTW, that 40% was rounded up and it came from the abstract of the report. The actual figure is 37%, and THAT figure is NOT an opinion.

Also, if you click on the button that says "read full report" in the first link from the NRC, you can get the PDF for free and all you have to do is fill out the form with your email address and stuff. So calling BS is pretty infantile when the info is readily available.

Contraceptives are NOT 100% effective. This is something I have known since "I" was a teen.
When you were a teen, they likely had a worse failure rate than the methods available today.
Whatever; I'm pretty sure that women would much rather use contraceptives than go through the abortion ordeal.
 

gerryh

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Getting upset by stuff that is beyond your control is irrational and hazardous to your health. You conduct yourself and raise your family according to your moral standards. What other people do is beyond your control. Cars kill more people than abortionists. Wars kill more. Deer kill hundreds every year.

cars kill more? Either you're kidding or you're an idiot. Which is it Cliffy?
Yup, war kills more, and you have seen me timed out more than once for my stance on war and those that support it.

Millions of innocent animals are killed every year and consumed by humans. I don't like it but it is not something I can do anything about, nor do I want to. And no. I don't think humans are any more important than any other life form on this planet. If you believe in a god that created all this life, then killing any of it is is no different than aborting a life. Animals do it all the time and nobody gives a hoot.

I'm just concerned that one day you will blow a gasket with all that anger.


and in Genesis we are told what the animals and plants are for, and it ain't to look at.
 

karrie

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In fact abortions in those circumstances were NEVER illegal......

So get real Karrie. You know pro-life advocates would support a return to laws as they existed when this was one of the few legitimate reasons for abortion (not speaking of its morality). That reduces your argument to zero.

So, you admit, an abortion is a medical procedure.

My argument isn't what you think it is, all I was arguing was your assertion that it's not a 'medical procedure'.

Coldstream, I have a question for you.

A friend of mine has a son who is autistic. At 18 he is still in diapers. He can not be left alone, he becomes agitated and quite violent at times. My friend's husband has had to take early retirement as my girlfriend has been diagnosed with parkinsons and cannot handle her son alone. Her husband has already had one stroke.

The government gives them thousands of dollars in aid but because of his extreme needs they are thousands and thousands of dollars in debt. They have no life and have never had a life. Most couples would not have made it together but they have. I would have killed myself rather than live the type of life they live.

Is this okay with you...sanctity of life for what? I am truly curious to hear the right to lifers answers. I will also respect your thoughts and will not attack your answer I just want to hear your justification at the destruction and misery caused by such a situation.

In the same spirit of non-attack, I have to say, I will make a couple quick points but please know I've had a very long, taxing day if my points come off short, that's why....

I don't get how this relates to the abortion discussion, since the only solution to their problem is actually euthenasia. There is no prenatal test, as far as I know, that can tell you if your kid will be autistic.

And if there were, there are so many degrees of autism.

And I'd be curious to hear her views on your bringing her son up as a candidate for abortion.
 

karrie

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On the other hand unless you are their mother you can't make a fully accurate judgment.

No, unless you are 'them' you can't make a fully accurate judgement.

See, the problem is, there are many cases of people with mental retardation who have 'blocks', things that prevent their mind from reaching the outside world. It doesn't mean their mind isn't there. It doesn't mean they don't think and feel (and autism is a great example, of thinking feeling humans who simply can't connect to the outside world... there are tons of cases that prove that).

I grew up with an aunt whose connection with the world was sporadic due to brain damage from birth. Some days she would seem totally absent, but once in awhile, on the rare occasion, she would work her way through and talk for a few minutes, before disappearing again. It shed a light for me, on what mental retardation is, and the ways it can manifest.

There is no way to know, what someone thinks and feels, based simply on outward criteria.
 

karrie

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I was thinking more in terms of their life being worthwhile.

No one knows if their life is worthwhile but them.

Unless they show up as brain dead, we have no way of knowing what they are thinking, feeling, experiencing.
 

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No one knows if their life is worthwhile but them.

Unless they show up as brain dead, we have no way of knowing what they are thinking, feeling, experiencing.

I would say if the person who attends to their needs and care night and day loves them and enjoys them regardless, then an argument could be made that their life is worthwhile.
 

karrie

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I would say if the person who attends to their needs and care night and day loves them and enjoys them regardless, then an argument could be made that their life is worthwhile.

So if you have stroke tomorrow, and can no longer communicate.... and no one likes changing your nasty diapers, it's okay to off you even if your mind is still active and wanting to live?

The worth of a human being isn't judged by how enjoyable they are.
 

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Like genocide or ethnic cleansing masking the act of killing human life as being acceptable for this horrific act, a woman’s right to choose is no different killing of a baby/fetus. Dr. Henry Morgentaler was a man who had the taste of death when he was almost killed in a German concentration death camp which turned him into a serial killer where at first he broke the law and later with the government’s aproval like the nazis had when they started killing a certain segment of the population for the so called common good calling it the final solution.

Dr. Henry Morgentaler was a great man to the government propaganda machine where he was hailed as a hero and given the Order Of Canada I just hope that he went the same way as his baby/fetus went where his soul was ripped out of his body piece by piece.

Dr. Henry Morgentaler when he gets to the pearly gates he will see a big group of children looking back at him just before he starts his journey down to eternal damnation.
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Sal

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I'm sure they would have, enforcing my comment about it saying more about you than them.
yeah so what

For your child....sacrifice everything..... for your spouse...sacrifice everything.
good on you Gerry


I don't know about Ontario, but in BC the above is completely wrong.
I don't live in BC I live in Ontario and that statement is completely correct



No shyte exlax.... right wing anti-abortion hypocrites get my scorn as much as pro abortion murderers do as, the right wing anti-abortionists have no problem killing those that have already born.
this doesn't even warrant a reply


When it comes to Autism, you are talking about killing children and young Adults of my blood. In my mind, your shaking hands with Olson.
take a pill Gerry



Obviously.


Posted to my Facebook timeline concerning this suggestion: "they should be thankful stupid can't be detected until later in life..."
I have no clue what this means but you are one angry angry little man most of the time.
 
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