Extremely emaciated teen found dead in Calgary home

petros

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One other fact we can deduce is that the family was relatively prosperous. Look at their house
Calgary teen found dead had been in provincial care - Calgary - CBC News
look at 100 block of Citadel Drive N.W in Calgary in Google Earth.
Prosperous? NW Calgary? The same NW Calgary where houses are eave to eave, you have no lawn and you can sit on the john in your house and have a conversation with your neighbour who is also sitting on the john but in their house with the windows closed because the houses are built so sh*tty ?

That's not prosperity, that's borderline poverty with a good credit rating.
 

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In crime fiction- Good - that is not what we discuss on this Forum- fiction that is.
>In crime fiction- Good - that is not what we discuss on this Forum- fiction that is.

The technique is used broadly, forensics, math, science, anthropolgy... I mentioned crime fiction because that is a place nearly everyone would have encountered it. There is nothing disreputable about it.

Prosperous? NW Calgary? The same NW Calgary where houses are eave to eave, you have no lawn and you can sit on the john in your house and have a conversation with your neighbour who is also sitting on the john but in their house with the windows closed because the houses are built so sh*tty ?

That's not prosperity, that's borderline poverty with a good credit rating.
>Prosperous? NW Calgary?
This is suburbia, fairly new houses, lawns well kept, fairly new cars. I found a nearby home for sale for $440K. Did you give it a peek with Google Earth? This is not a squalid drug dealer district. Poverty can create problems and be a symptom of problems. Poverty is probably not involved.
 

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Other than being far fetched speculation based on fictional forensics investigations?
lol

As opposed to far-fetched speculation based on paranoid delusion?

your brand apparently

carry on

pass the popcorn
 

petros

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Popcorn makes me gassy and apparently the butter give you hardened arteries in your noggin.

Is your recollection fixed yet?
 

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They need to be more polite than we do in telling you how you sound.

Considering that original reports said it sounded like the family were trying to treat his diabetes via religion, making things up about him and them beyond that is bizarre.
>Considering that original reports said it sounded like the family were trying to treat his >diabetes via religion, making things up about him and them beyond that is bizarre.

That is my #2 hypothesis. The reason I put it #2 is the parents would have no reason to conceal what they were doing to the son. There is no shame in diabetes or trying to treat it with Christian voodoo (in their minds) even if they imagine it is demon-caused. Surely the boy's friends would have been aware of what was happening. Religious people do sometimes let their kids die rather than admit a failure of their religious magic. Perhaps that was the shame, the implied lack of piety, and hence healing competence. You would would think when he was on death's door, love would overcome pride and make the parents try something else, but religion can make people do strange things.

A very strong piece of evidence for this interpretation is that one symptom of diabetes is losing weight without trying. The boy could have lost weight simply from being denied treatment, not because the parents deliberated fasted him. Also the fact this medical condition was mentioned in the original report suggests the police might have thought it germane based on the something a doctor casually examining the corpse might have said. It might also have come up as a partial confession.

Again if newspaper reporters interviewed neighbours, they would have seen signs of this.

Religious parents tossing a gay son onto the street without further contact is so common it does no even make the news. Killing your kids out of strange religious medical beliefs is considerably rarer. I think most of the people here have the probabilities backwards. The problem may be you think I am accusing the son of something shameful or exotic. In my view, I am saying nothing more shameful than if he were left handed it might explain why his parents murdered him.

The word "speculate" means "a form of theory or conjecture without firm evidence", it is making guesses. It is laying out some competing possibilities to guide analysis of the facts. It does not mean "accuse" or "assert".

It is noteworthy that in both my conjecture and yours the ultimate villain is fundamentalist religious superstition.

The precise address and name of the family are in theory withheld, but not that well. I hope an investigative reporter digs into any relevant religious beliefs.

At trial, what I hope will come up will be just how much resistance (if any) did the boy put up?.
To what extent did the parents block the boy from contacting someone outside the family?

If either of our conjectures prove true, the church that brainwashed the parents is the real culprit. It should be punished and blocked from repeating the crime. If it refuses, all it assets should be seized.
 

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>If either of our conjectures prove true, the church that brainwashed the parents is the real culprit. It should be punished and blocked from repeating the crime. If it refuses, all it assets should be seized.

Bullsh*t, maybe it was a Gypsy woman telling fortunes, do you think all her assets should be seized?
 

karrie

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Religious parents tossing a gay son onto the street without further contact is so common it does no even make the news. Killing your kids out of strange religious medical beliefs is considerably rarer. I think most of the people here have the probabilities backwards. The problem may be you think I am accusing the son of something shameful or exotic. In my view, I am saying nothing more shameful than if he were left handed it might explain why his parents murdered him.

The word "speculate" means "a form of theory or conjecture without firm evidence", it is making guesses. It is laying out some competing possibilities to guide analysis of the facts. It does not mean "accuse" or "assert".
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See, I call bull on it being 'so common', even in 'religious' Alberta. A child growing up today, is not facing the homophobic environment that many faced even thirty years ago. For any community I've ever lived in within Alberta, throwing your child out because he was gay would make you a community pariah. So no, don't even start trying to say that my reason for thinking your leap of logic is bizarre, is based in the fact that I think you're somehow insulting the boy by saying maybe he was gay.

And let me be ABUNDANTLY clear... I have no theory. I have made no conjecture. I have repeated what people actually told police investigators.