Yep. Things go much easier when preaching to the podium. lol (The choir left. Pews are almost empty, too. Just us mice left; laughing at the fool yakking at the podium).
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More Harper hypocrisy
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this post is a good example, you ranted. you ranted so much, I would have a hard time agreeing with you. Do I like the Afgan war or Canadian casualties? no. Do I like debates that get squashed? No.
So why aren't you scoring any points with me, eh?
I'm not trying to score points, I'm trying to express my viewpoint.
I'm not emotionless and I truly don't like what's being done in a nation I used to be proud to call home, I have a hard time doing that now because of decisions that are being taken in my and millions of other Canadians name without really asking us. I had the same outrage to a lessor extent during the worst examples of Liberal indifference and arrogance to the electorate here.
I seriously doubt the growing divide between reality and official hype in the conservative government can last much longer. considering the scale of some of the issues, the continued existence of Canada could be at stake. If someone actually cared about that, I'd expect them to get a little riled up. Maybe it's my American side coming out, but I think more than a few of my fellow Canadians need a swift kick in the **** to wake them up.
I'm curious... what do you see as the large issues that threaten the existence of our country?
That's it?!
You said that there were some huge issues - PLURAL - and this is your best shot?
You do know, for one thing I hope, that if we shut down the entire Canadian economy for an entire year it wouldn't make one lick of difference. But the Conservatives are threatening the existence of our country and all of humankind?
There's no "smilie" that I can add to this to show how absolutely hilarious that is.
And there's no sense trying to argue it with you, so I won't even try.
Boy, that's my laugh for the day, thanks! :mrgreen:
Oh, Harper has flair enough... don't you see him swinging to and fro??
Go, Justin, go!!! :smile:
What a complete load of bull****, Irving Shipbuilding is claiming we have some special ship definition process that other nations don't do for some reason.
Irving says ship contract comparisons 'apples and oranges' - Politics - CBC News
If other nations can design and build entire ships for about 1/4 of what we're going to be spending on modifying the design then clearly there's something seriously wrong here, either our shipbuilders have become so incompetent that they should be put out of business...or the conservatives have been caught making a massive payout to a friend.
This is also nonsense, you don't redesign every ship of a class.
If the usual cost of design is about 10 to 20% of the average ship cost, then at $288 million for design are our patrol ships going to end up costing around $3 billion a piece as Peter MacKay seemed to be saying earlier? If so this is one of the biggest defense rip-offs in Canadain history.
Which seems to be translating as, "We'll give Irving anything it wants and screw the taxpayers."
If it takes Irving 10 times the money to redesign a ship as it does other nations building similar ships then they shouldn't be getting the contract. They can charge whatever they want to build the actual ships and going by MacKays logic it's still a win for Canada.
Irving says ship contract comparisons 'apples and oranges' - Politics - CBC News
If other nations can design and build entire ships for about 1/4 of what we're going to be spending on modifying the design then clearly there's something seriously wrong here, either our shipbuilders have become so incompetent that they should be put out of business...or the conservatives have been caught making a massive payout to a friend.
This is also nonsense, you don't redesign every ship of a class.
If the usual cost of design is about 10 to 20% of the average ship cost, then at $288 million for design are our patrol ships going to end up costing around $3 billion a piece as Peter MacKay seemed to be saying earlier? If so this is one of the biggest defense rip-offs in Canadain history.
Which seems to be translating as, "We'll give Irving anything it wants and screw the taxpayers."
If it takes Irving 10 times the money to redesign a ship as it does other nations building similar ships then they shouldn't be getting the contract. They can charge whatever they want to build the actual ships and going by MacKays logic it's still a win for Canada.
If the ship we're supposed to end up with is longer, wider, heavier and holds more crew members, what the hell did we buy the Danish design for?
This whole thing really smells.
This whole thing really smells.
Just in case you haven't figured it out yet the whole point of building the ships in Canada was to buy votes. There is no financial reason to do so. Even Washington marine Group which will build the bulk of the west coast work buys hulls for their own ships from Korea.
I support tax dollars buying ships built in Canada, even if they're a little more expensive, but the figures we're seeing lately are ridiculous.
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Really, so you're not proud to be Canadian. Really?
Yes blame America! LOL. Maybe its your cry-baby side. Or maybe you need medication. Or maybe you just need to get laid. Whatever it is, you sound like a left wing militant who shouts over people rather than stating your viewpoint.
Harper is still doing the hypocrisy thing, if he really wants Canada to be a place where the vulnerable are respected then he could start by actually respecting the people of Canada.
Harper: Society Must Do Whatever It Takes To Stop Cyberbullying
Harper's entire mandate is defined by how aggressively he's manipulated the political system to achieve a high degree of control, including limiting access to information, tight control of his own party including close monitoring of his own MPs at taxpayer expense, violating elections laws, probably at a significant level, closing Parliament whenever it suited him, sabotaging the functioning of Parliament whenever it suited him, being found in contempt of Parliament, and refusing to allow Parliamentary officers to do their duties.
So how can someone who obviously has contempt for the rule of law and respecting the rules and traditions that are supposed to give us a civil society now claim he cares about rights and welfare of others. Pretty clearly Harper only really cares about his own narrow interests and sets a very bad example for the rest of the country to follow.
Harper: Society Must Do Whatever It Takes To Stop Cyberbullying
Harper's entire mandate is defined by how aggressively he's manipulated the political system to achieve a high degree of control, including limiting access to information, tight control of his own party including close monitoring of his own MPs at taxpayer expense, violating elections laws, probably at a significant level, closing Parliament whenever it suited him, sabotaging the functioning of Parliament whenever it suited him, being found in contempt of Parliament, and refusing to allow Parliamentary officers to do their duties.
So how can someone who obviously has contempt for the rule of law and respecting the rules and traditions that are supposed to give us a civil society now claim he cares about rights and welfare of others. Pretty clearly Harper only really cares about his own narrow interests and sets a very bad example for the rest of the country to follow.
Boy you dredge up the bull**** by the bucket. The contempt, rather than being a serious thing was a political move by the opposition parties to bring down the government because they thought they could win an election. An election in which they were soundly thumped and the Conservatives won a majority government.
So much for what Canadians thought of the "contempt", but that doesn't stop you from adding it to your litany of complaints.
No exaggeration there, right? I mean ChRETIeN, Martin, etc. were all saints n angels, right? Whatta clown.
At any rate, if he has done some of what you say, he's no worse than the other jackasses that have been in Parliament. As far as I can tell, they all wanted to shape Canada into their own version and you're just all huffy and pissy that it isn't your fanatically Liberal version.
Apparently you're another one who can't see reality through blue colored glasses, the government was found in contempt of Parliament due to it's unwillingness to provide honest figures involving the F-35 deal.
Harper government falls in historic Commons showdown - The Globe and Mail
And as the robocalls scandal is probably the biggest election fraud in Canadian history and could have involved up to 200 ridings and the Harper government "response" has been to cut funding to Elections Canada by 8% I wouldn't crow to loudly about the conservative "win" in the last election.
The only real question now is if the conservatives can corrupt the system to such a degree it doesn't function at all in the next election giving them another "win" or if the opposition parties can hold some semblance of democratic expression finally bringing the conservative house of cards down.
Interesting thought that the Conservatives stole the election because of robocalls. Totally ignoring reality, but interesting.
When one is rabidly partisan, everything is coloured by it, and therefore of questionable value or validity.
When one is rabidly partisan, everything is coloured by it, and therefore of questionable value or validity.
Why are you still on about this? It has already been pointed out to you and proven with links, that the cut does not reduce the effectiveness of Elections Canada as they have the ability to draw from general revenues when they need it.
This is Harper Canada where everything is vetted through the PCO, it's ridiculous to talk about the independence of Canadian government agencies in "Harper" Canada.
Cutting basic funding to an agency that is responsible for ensuring the lawful functioning of our electoral system by a government that has already shown large scale contempt for both the rule and spirit of that system probably isn't to the benefit of those of us who would like to also benefit from that system... as we're theoretically supposed to in a democratic system.
And I'm still on about this because unlike you apparently, I don't think the official government line is the last word, nor should it be in a functioning democratic system. Is this a conservative support group or a forum where we can have actual factual based discussions?