“Unless You’re A Native American, You Came From Someplace Else”

Nuggler

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Statements like the OP completely obscure the issues surrounding FN or aboriginal or native or whatever the moniker du jour, the people who already happened to be here when the Europeans arrived. Because the last thing it's really about is the "we were here first" mentality, it is way, way more complex than that.

Exactly. How far do you go back? The cradle of civilization or do we trace it all the way back to Lucy?


Yep, we're all from Africa, going way back, eh.
 

karrie

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'you came from somewhere else'.... I hate imprecise language!

'Your heritage is from somewhere else'.

Personally, French and Norwegian are the two that stand out in a hodge podge of European ancestry, but I'm not European. I'm Canadian through and through.
 

SLM

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'you came from somewhere else'.... I hate imprecise language!

'Your heritage is from somewhere else'.

Personally, French and Norwegian are the two that stand out in a hodge podge of European ancestry, but I'm not European. I'm Canadian through and through.

Yes and how far back does it take before it's 'heritage', three generations? Four? Even someone who's ancestors emigrated to North America in the 1800's will have a North American heritage. Aside from knowing the 'ethnic heritage' of the people in the area when my great grandparents were born, I can't trace it back any further than that personally.
 

Colpy

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I was born here....

Ya beat me to it, lone wolf.....

as were my parents, all my grandparents, all my great grandparents, all my great-great grandparents, all my great, great, great grandparents.................

I wonder how many "Native Americans" can say the same???
 

karrie

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Yes and how far back does it take before it's 'heritage', three generations? Four? Even someone who's ancestors emigrated to North America in the 1800's will have a North American heritage. Aside from knowing the 'ethnic heritage' of the people in the area when my great grandparents were born, I can't trace it back any further than that personally.

Yeah, my great grandparents were all born here. Their parents I'm not too sure.

Personally, the biggest thing for me, is my family can only be defined as Canadian. We are too big a hodgepodge of heritages, to ever 'go home'.

Ya beat me to it, lone wolf.....

as were my parents, all my grandparents, all my great grandparents, all my great-great grandparents, all my great, great, great grandparents.................

I wonder how many "Native Americans" can say the same???


lol!! You wonder how many native americans can say their family were all born here?

Uhm, gonna go out on a limb here and say all of them. lol.
 

JamesBondo

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Just wondering, at what point do canadians get to say they are indiginous to their own country? If 150 years is not enough, how about 300 years?
 

Colpy

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Yeah, my great grandparents were all born here. Their parents I'm not too sure.

Personally, the biggest thing for me, is my family can only be defined as Canadian. We are too big a hodgepodge of heritages, to ever 'go home'.




lol!! You wonder how many native americans can say their family were all born here?

Uhm, gonna go out on a limb here and say all of them. lol.

Think about that Karrie.

No white guys in the woodpile, as you go back several generations?? Perhaps some that came during the Highland Clearances, or the Irish famines?? My complete Canadian ancestry predates either........

I'm saying you can go back into my family tree for multiple generations and not find a single soul not born in Canada.

I'm not sure that all Native Americans can say that.

Yet some would consider them more "Canadian" than I.

If we are gonna talk race and nationality, you can't be playing favourites.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yeah, when you know a guy with a Treaty card whose name is McGregor you can be reasonably sure there's some European ancestry in his family tree. He claims to be an improved Scotsman.
 

WLDB

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Ya beat me to it, lone wolf.....

as were my parents, all my grandparents, all my great grandparents, all my great-great grandparents, all my great, great, great grandparents.................

Same here. Though the different branches arrived at different times. The first relative of mine to arrive here came in the 1640s. The last was my great great great grandfather who came as a child in 1832.
 

karrie

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Yeah, when you know a guy with a Treaty card whose name is McGregor you can be reasonably sure there's some European ancestry in his family tree. He claims to be an improved Scotsman.

But, if you're going by Colpy's litmus, all the McGregors I know have been born in Canada... his Scottish heritage may be Canadian born.

We need to do away with any and all special or separate status for any humans.

there, fixed it for you. :)


(I know, I know, we're not supposed to do that, but it was not done maliciously!)
 

L Gilbert

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There ya have it kids. It's official. Barry Soetoro said so. :lol:



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lol In that sense, everyone came from southeast Africa.

Native is a very inaccurate word to use in the context of the OP. Aboriginal or indigenous would be far more accurate words to use when referring to original inhabitants. As we can see in this thread alone, native only confuses the issue. Also, I was told by one of the Nisga'a Treaty negotiators (on the Nisga'a side), First Nations is also an inaccurate and meaningless term in regards to international laws.
Actually, the original people in NA are unknown, but they probably were people from central Europe some 20 ro 25 millennia ago, which predates visitors from Asia, SouthAm, and even the Clovis people.

Barack Obama is from Mars.
lol And you'd know cuz you're native Martian, too, right?
 

Corduroy

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Really? My birth certificate says I'm from here. Must be a mistake then. Who do I contact to get this corrected? And how do I find out where I'm really from?
 

EagleSmack

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Really? My birth certificate says I'm from here. Must be a mistake then. Who do I contact to get this corrected? And how do I find out where I'm really from?

Oh no Cord. Haven't you heard? You're not and it is not PC to say you are from where you are from if it is North America.