Clueless CNN reporters are shocked at rape coverage backlash

[karrie]

Careless smoking causing a house fire might be an example... Driving drunk might be another

how is careless smoking being the victim of a crime?

Drunk driving is COMMITTING a crime.

Explain where insurance ever dings the VICTIM of an actual CRIME.

Okay, well, I'm heading out the door but I'll give my closing statement before I go.


Trying to blame the girl, hold her 'responsible', for what someone else did to her while she was incapacitated, is based in the view that what they did wasn't a crime, whether you want to admit it or not. It's more of the type of minimization that CNN is being roasted for. It's an attempt to excuse abuse and victimization, and put the onus on women, to make sure criminals don't rape them. I don't know a single woman who at some point in her life, hasn't been vulnerable, and rapists count on that fact, and wait for those moments. Society's attitude about a woman's 'place' and her responsibility to protect herself, is why so many people can end up getting away with it.

Knowing that makes it really hard to sit and listen to someone attempt to minimize it.

 

[Goober]

This story has received a lot of coverage where I am (in SW Pennsylvania, in the Pittsburgh hinterlands) as Steubenville is just across the border in Ohio. A couple of the guys that work on my crew live there. I've heard a lot about it and although I felt a certain amount of sympathy for the boys (and especially their families) after going through a similar (although much milder) situation, my sympathy has abated as I hear more of the details.

The girl was passed out when these guys took advantage of her.

Some people want to say "hey! she was no angel, because she was drinking underage!" and they are right. But that doesn't mean her punishment should have been sexual abuse. In my younger, wilder/more stupid days, when we passed out we would get drawn on with felt markers, eyebrows shaved, etc. This served as a lesson in consequences which, although maddening at the time (when we sobered up) which was totally deserved. These boys crossed some pretty significant lines with their actions; they deserve their convictions. Do they deserve some leniency based on their ages? Perhaps so, but is that not what they received by being tried as juveniles and not adults? They are facing some time in juvenile detention, not a maximum security pen.

As to the death threats that "Jane Doe" has received, who in their right mind can condone this type of crap? She drank underage and was sexually assaulted. I'll say again she is no angel but nothing she has done is worthy of what is befalling her from the friends/family/supporters of the boys who resort to this.

Now there are allegations that these 2 boys have raped 2 other girls/young women. If the allegations are true, these boys aren't just stupid kids, they are exhibiting a dangerous pattern of behaviour towards women, that needs to be halted. As for the other allegations, that people who allegedly tried to cover up the incident, if they DID try to cover this up, then shame on them, and I hope they are punished as they deserve. I'm not sure about blaming the owners of the house where the party occurred: if they trusted their kids and the kids betrayed that trust, I don't see that they should be criminally responsible for what happened. I'll state outright that I don't like some of the BS drinking laws in the States, and think even Canadians are too uptight about things like drinking ages. I'm a believer that if we didn't make such a big deal about these things, we wouldn't have some of the backlash/rebellions associated with them. This one area where we can learn from the Europeans.

As you are the only ear we have that is close to what happened I have some questions. We are all aware that not all evidence is admissible.

Does anyone know if it began as consensual then became non consensual?

Does anyone know why 3 were offered immunity, not lesser charges?

The Prosecutors had the evidence, why 3 witnesses that resulted in no penalty to them?

Does anyone know if any of the accused or the ones that testified are well connected?

 

[gerryh]

As you are the only ear we have that is close to what happened I have some questions. We are all aware that not all evidence is admissible.

Does anyone know if it began as consensual then became non consensual?

Does anyone know why 3 were offered immunity, not lesser charges?

The Prosecutors had the evidence, why 3 witnesses that resulted in no penalty to them?

Does anyone know if any of the accused or the ones that testified are well connected?

and we're back to moving blame away from the perps.


Poor poor boys... they'll lose their football scholarships....they're really good boys, just had a little too much to drink...... she was asking for it any ways.......... :roll:



fu cking morons.

 

[Goober]

and we're back to moving blame away from the perps.


Poor poor boys... they'll lose their football scholarships....they're really good boys, just had a little too much to drink...... she was asking for it any ways.......... :roll:



fu cking morons.

Listen I asked relevant questions. You do not like them then tell me how I am moving blame. And in no way am I moving blame. Read the questions.
And I am not getting into a pissing match with you. Take it out on someone else.

 

[gerryh]

Does anyone know if it began as consensual then became non consensual?

ok...... what if it WAS consensual to BEGIN with? does that make it any less rape?

 

[Goober]

ok...... what if it WAS consensual to BEGIN with? does that make it any less rape?

As soon as it becomes non consensual it is is rape. WTF is up with you.

 

[gerryh]

As soon as it becomes non consensual it is is rape. WTF is up with you.

Then what does it matter if it was consensual to begin with or not?

 

[Goober]

Then what does it matter if it was consensual to begin with or not?

No one can ask a question around here anymore. Is that it.
I asked Wulf as he is near the area. Is there something wrong with having more information.

 

[gerryh]

No one can ask a question around here anymore. Is that it.
I asked Wulf as he is near the area. Is there something wrong with having more information.

and I'm asking what difference does it make?

 

[Goober]

and I'm asking what difference does it make?

None.

http://deadspin.com/how-an-alleged-rape-involving-ohio-high-school-football-5969103

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case

Leaked evidence

On December 24, following national newspaper coverage, the hacker collective Anonymous threatened to reveal the names of other unindicted alleged participants.[14] In December 2012, KnightSec, an offshoot of Anonymous, hacked an unaffiliated website, posting a demand for an apology by school officials and local authorities, who had allegedly covered up the incident in order to protect the athletes and school's program. KnightSec followed up their December hack on January 1, 2013, posting a video featuring the "self-proclaimed 'rape crew' from the night of the attack, making jokes about what had happened."[7] There are allegations that more people participated in the incident.[15][16]
SLAPP suit

Saltsman v. Goddard concerned an effort by two parents of a teenage boy from Steubenville, Ohio, to stop blogger Alexandria Goddard's website from publishing allegedly defamatory posts about their son. The parents sued Goddard and a dozen anonymous posters in October 2012; a legal blogger labeled it a SLAPP suit.[17] The lawsuit asked for an injunction against the blogger, a public apology stating that the boy was not involved in the rape, and $25,000 in damages.[18] The case was dismissed with prejudice in December 2012, after Goddard agreed to post a statement that the boy was remorseful about his role in the aftermath of the Steubenville High School rape case.[19]

 

[gerryh]

None.

Then why ask? If it's not pertinent, why ask?

I can come up with only a few reasons.

1. trying to find a way to mitigate the responsibility of the perp.

2. trolling.

3 brain dead.

 

[Goober]

Then why ask? If it's not pertinent, why ask?

I can come up with only a few reasons.

1. trying to find a way to mitigate the responsibility of the perp.

2. trolling.

3 brain dead.

4- Poorly phrased question. Now get off my case.

 

[gerryh]

4- Poorly phrased question. Now get off my case.

ahhhhhh....I see....poorly phrased. Ok then, rephrase the question.

 

[Goober]

ahhhhhh....I see....poorly phrased. Ok then, rephrase the question.

As it was non consensual why were others not charged?

Does anyone know why 3 were offered immunity, not lesser charges?

The Prosecutors had the evidence, why 3 witnesses that resulted in no penalty to them?

Does anyone know if any of the accused or the ones that testified are well connected?

 

[SLM]

Does anyone know why 3 were offered immunity, not lesser charges?

What I've read on that is three were offered immunity because they were 'witnesses' and the girl was unconscious the entire time and could not actually provide testimony about the specific events. The prosecution needed their testimony to provided details for their case.

 

[Goober]

What I've read on that is three were offered immunity because they were 'witnesses' and the girl was unconscious the entire time and could not actually provide testimony about the specific events. The prosecution needed their testimony to provided details for their case.

It appears that video was passed around, posted etc. What about the Football coach. There are in my opinion more charges coming. And these in my opinion are also relevant points.
I posted 2 links. Did you have a chance to read them over?

Does anyone know why 3 were offered immunity, not lesser charges?

The Prosecutors had the evidence, why 3 witnesses that resulted in no penalty to them?

Does anyone know if any of the accused or the ones that testified are well connected?

 

[wulfie68]

As you are the only ear we have that is close to what happened I have some questions. We are all aware that not all evidence is admissible.

Does anyone know if it began as consensual then became non consensual?

Does anyone know why 3 were offered immunity, not lesser charges?

The Prosecutors had the evidence, why 3 witnesses that resulted in no penalty to them?

Does anyone know if any of the accused or the ones that testified are well connected?

According to victim's statements it was non-consensual from the onset, however defense made statements that she had participated in consensual sexual activity with both young men at previous dates.

My understanding(for what it is worth) is that the 3 offered immunity were done so early in the investigation when there wasn't as much evidence gathered. They otherwise refused to cooperate. The DA is supposedly looking into pressing charges against other witnesses who did not intervene.

I don't know about connections of anyone, save that the youths convicted were prominent members of the HS football team, in an area where the economy has been depressed for some time, and HS athletics are one of the few sources of civic pride. There are a lot of pro football players from that part of the country and they all have high hopes for the next up-and-comers. There are allegations being investigated that the football coach and the Chief of Police both tried to cover this up but nothing has come out yet.

 

[Goober]

According to victim's statements it was non-consensual from the onset, however defense made statements that she had participated in consensual sexual activity with both young men at previous dates.

My understanding(for what it is worth) is that the 3 offered immunity were done so early in the investigation when there wasn't as much evidence gathered. They otherwise refused to cooperate. The DA is supposedly looking into pressing charges against other witnesses who did not intervene.

I don't know about connections of anyone, save that the youths convicted were prominent members of the HS football team, in an area where the economy has been depressed for some time, and HS athletics are one of the few sources of civic pride. There are a lot of pro football players from that part of the country and they all have high hopes for the next up-and-comers. There are allegations being investigated that the football coach and the Chief of Police both tried to cover this up but nothing has come out yet.

Thank you

 

[SLM]

Oh definitely. There are some sociologists who define discrimination in such a way that it is impossible for women to be sexist.

That seems kind of sexist doesn't it?

In my experience, women are some of the worst supports of sexism. As I see it, sexism is not a man vs. woman problem, it is a problem of a majority of people perpetuating stereotypes that hurt all of us but hurt women in a much more pointed fashion.

These female students victim blaming and worse, making the perpetrators out to be victims just goes to show.

I agree, sexism is about perpetuating stereotypes and it's not limited to just stereotypes about the female gender either.

And there are a hell of a lot of women out there who fall into blaming the victim as well. Maybe it's partially a "that way it can never happen to me because I don't do things like that" trap, I don't know.

 

[Sal]

Wow that 12 minute video, is tough to watch, they just keep using the word rape over and over and over and laughing and laughing. They peed on her and speak of her like a piece of meat. It's heart breaking. Two minutes and I can't watch more.