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petros

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EAST Jerusalem just like ALL the Palestinian Churches listed on the Association site.. Are you really that deep up their asses to see the truth?

http://www.comeandsee.com/view.php?sid=1190

April 10, 2012
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Israel Welcomes Evangelical Support—but not an Evangelical Presence

For more than a year, I have repeatedly visited the office of the Christian Affairs Department at the Israeli Ministry of Religious Affairs in Jerusalem to seek a clergy visa for Rev. Jeff Hoover. Jeff is a U.S. citizen from Raleigh, North Carolina. Our international congregation in East Jerusalem called Rev. Hoover to come to Jerusalem to serve as an assistant pastor, since I am approaching retirement.

On December 1, 2011, I visited the Christian Affairs Department and spoke with the office’s director to see if there was progress on Rev. Hoover's application. The official in charge told me openly that his office can't give a recommendation for a clergy visa for Rev. Hoover because, he stated, "the State of Israel does not recognize the Baptist Church." The statement surprised me, but not because our attempts to get Rev. Hoover a visa failed. We had many similar setbacks in the past, but this was the first time a lack of recognition was cited as the reason. In the past, the officials did not give us a reason for denying visas, and after a few months of trying, we just gave up. “Not recognized” means that no Evangelical church in Israel is officially recognized because they have not acquired the privilege of "Status Quo." This privilege was granted during the Ottoman period to historic denominations, and more recently, to the Anglican and the Lutheran churches.

Israel’s Ministry of Religious Affairs may have the right to deny a Christian clergyperson a visa to enter Israel. But why should it take a year and a half before the applicant learns that his or her church is not recognized? In June, while in Israel, Rev. Hoover was told that if he left Israel, the officials would process his visa application. He returned to the U.S. and after six months, he was told that his application papers which he first submitted in 2010 were lost. He submitted new forms, but that didn't help. In the last eight months, Rev. Hoover and I both--he from the US and I from Jerusalem--made repeated contacts with officials of the Ministry of Religious Affairs to ask about the status of his visa. All of our efforts came to a halt when I was told, "Baptists are not recognized in the State of Israel."

Whenever it is politically expedient, Israeli authorities close an eye and issue visas to Baptist and other Evangelical clergy. But in general, most Christian ministries in the Holy Land, and particularly Evangelicals, confront huge obstacles when seeking visas for Western pastors or volunteers who wish to help them in their respective churches, schools and other ministries. These Israeli policies encumber the ministries of the various Christian denominations and add pain and frustration to the Christian minorities that are facing the threat of extinction in the birthplace of their faith.

In international forums, Israeli officials don’t miss an opportunity to state that Israel practices religious freedom and equality. Members of my church, East Jerusalem Baptist Church, wonder how Israeli officials define freedom of religion. It is ironic that the Western Evangelical churches that often give the greatest political, economic and moral support to the State of Israel are the churches that are the least privileged under Israeli rule.

I guess they don't like born yesterday holy rollers.

You can apologize for the cultural slur BS anytime buddy.
 

Colpy

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EAST Jerusalem just like ALL the Palestinian Churches listed on the Association site.. Are you really that deep up their asses to see the truth?

Come And See - Israel Welcomes Evangelical Support?but not an Evangelical Presence

April 10, 2012
6826 reads
Israel Welcomes Evangelical Support—but not an Evangelical Presence

For more than a year, I have repeatedly visited the office of the Christian Affairs Department at the Israeli Ministry of Religious Affairs in Jerusalem to seek a clergy visa for Rev. Jeff Hoover. Jeff is a U.S. citizen from Raleigh, North Carolina. Our international congregation in East Jerusalem called Rev. Hoover to come to Jerusalem to serve as an assistant pastor, since I am approaching retirement.

On December 1, 2011, I visited the Christian Affairs Department and spoke with the office’s director to see if there was progress on Rev. Hoover's application. The official in charge told me openly that his office can't give a recommendation for a clergy visa for Rev. Hoover because, he stated, "the State of Israel does not recognize the Baptist Church." The statement surprised me, but not because our attempts to get Rev. Hoover a visa failed. We had many similar setbacks in the past, but this was the first time a lack of recognition was cited as the reason. In the past, the officials did not give us a reason for denying visas, and after a few months of trying, we just gave up. “Not recognized” means that no Evangelical church in Israel is officially recognized because they have not acquired the privilege of "Status Quo." This privilege was granted during the Ottoman period to historic denominations, and more recently, to the Anglican and the Lutheran churches.

Israel’s Ministry of Religious Affairs may have the right to deny a Christian clergyperson a visa to enter Israel. But why should it take a year and a half before the applicant learns that his or her church is not recognized? In June, while in Israel, Rev. Hoover was told that if he left Israel, the officials would process his visa application. He returned to the U.S. and after six months, he was told that his application papers which he first submitted in 2010 were lost. He submitted new forms, but that didn't help. In the last eight months, Rev. Hoover and I both--he from the US and I from Jerusalem--made repeated contacts with officials of the Ministry of Religious Affairs to ask about the status of his visa. All of our efforts came to a halt when I was told, "Baptists are not recognized in the State of Israel."

Whenever it is politically expedient, Israeli authorities close an eye and issue visas to Baptist and other Evangelical clergy. But in general, most Christian ministries in the Holy Land, and particularly Evangelicals, confront huge obstacles when seeking visas for Western pastors or volunteers who wish to help them in their respective churches, schools and other ministries. These Israeli policies encumber the ministries of the various Christian denominations and add pain and frustration to the Christian minorities that are facing the threat of extinction in the birthplace of their faith.

In international forums, Israeli officials don’t miss an opportunity to state that Israel practices religious freedom and equality. Members of my church, East Jerusalem Baptist Church, wonder how Israeli officials define freedom of religion. It is ironic that the Western Evangelical churches that often give the greatest political, economic and moral support to the State of Israel are the churches that are the least privileged under Israeli rule.

I guess they don't like born yesterday holy rollers.

You can apologize for the cultural slur BS anytime buddy.


No cultural slur.......Jew hatred, unfortunately, is deeply ingrained in Ukrainian culture. To the point where recently a prominent Ukrainian politician refers to Mila Kunis as a "dirty Jewess" (is he blind????)

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/12/24/Ukrainian-politician-labels-Kunis-dirty-Jew

And this after the Nazis pretty well wiped out Ukrainian Jews, with the enthusiastic help of some locals. 900,000 dead Jews leaving a modern population of less than 500,000 in 1989 (before emigration to Israel was allowed)



Oh, and you might want to read this:

CFCA - 2012 monitoring of manifestations of antisemitism in Ukraine

Jew hatred is a standard part of Ukrainian elections.

So no apology will be forthcoming.

And you said I could not attend a Baptist Church in Israel.

Wrong.

Israel does not need to let in anyone they do not want, for any reason, or no reason at all. Which is my philosophy concerning entry to any country, including our own.
 

petros

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No cultural slur.......Jew hatred, unfortunately, is deeply ingrained in Ukrainian culture. To the point where recently a prominent Ukrainian politician refers to Mila Kunis as a "dirty Jewess" (is he blind????)

Ukrainian Politician Slurs Kunis as 'Dirty Jewess'

And this after the Nazis pretty well wiped out Ukrainian Jews, with the enthusiastic help of some locals. 900,000 dead Jews leaving a modern population of less than 500,000 in 1989 (before emigration to Israel was allowed)



Oh, and you might want to read this:

CFCA - 2012 monitoring of manifestations of antisemitism in Ukraine

Jew hatred is a standard part of Ukrainian elections.

So no apology will be forthcoming.

And you said I could not attend a Baptist Church in Israel.

Wrong.

Israel does not need to let in anyone they do not want, for any reason, or no reason at all. Which is my philosophy concerning entry to any country, including our own.
It's not hatred you moron. Do you know the history of the pogroms? You say you're into history so you should be aware that when the Pollocks invaded W Ukraine everyone was stripped of their land and forced into serfdom. The Catholic Pollock King sent Jews he didn't want either to Ukraine to manage everything because they were diposable.

That's not hatred. That is freeing yourself from tyranny.

Nazis? You've gotta be kidding me.

8 years after the Holodomor that Bolshevik Jews just happened to avoid like it was another Passover and 20 years of another occupation that stripped everyone of all property and religion (except Jews) and you had a choice between Hitler and Stalin, I guarantee you'd take the Hitler option.

That is not hatred. That is freeing yourself from tyranny.\

WOW! Unlimited free speech in UA and no laws for whiners who can't take the guff.

Calling Mila Kunis a dirty Jewess isn't hatred, it's what men with spines call derogatory.

If a church isn't recognized legally as a church, it's not a church. It's just a place to hang out. No legal marriages or such powers are recognized and it's also illegal to try to convert a Jew so all you have is a place for foreign baptist to hang out in Israel and the real McCoy is allowed in Palesine and Gaza.
 

Goober

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Would you rather be a Religious minority in Israel or any other Mid East country?
This does not excuse Israel.
 

Colpy

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It's not hatred you moron. Do you know the history of the pogroms? You say you're into history so you should be aware that when the Pollocks invaded W Ukraine everyone was stripped of their land and forced into serfdom. The Catholic Pollock King sent Jews he didn't want either to Ukraine to manage everything because they were diposable.

That's not hatred. That is freeing yourself from tyranny.

Nazis? You've gotta be kidding me.

8 years after the Holodomor that Bolshevik Jews just happened to avoid like it was another Passover and 20 years of another occupation that stripped everyone of all property and religion (except Jews) and you had a choice between Hitler and Stalin, I guarantee you'd take the Hitler option.

That is not hatred. That is freeing yourself from tyranny.\

WOW! Unlimited free speech in UA and no laws for whiners who can't take the guff.

Calling Mila Kunis a dirty Jewess isn't hatred, it's what men with spines call derogatory.

If a church isn't recognized legally as a church, it's not a church. It's just a place to hang out. No legal marriages or such powers are recognized and it's also illegal to try to convert a Jew so all you have is a place for foreign baptist to hang out in Israel and the real McCoy is allowed in Palesine and Gaza.


Thanks for proving my points........
 

petros

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Yup. I hate Jews. It runs i the family. My grandfather used to push my Jew grandmother into an oven 3 times a day.

Everytime she'd come out with awesome food made with love.