Claresholm, AB Killer - Were Antipsychotics to Blame?

[L Gilbert]

Taxslave,

It appears that society has been taught (by pharmaceutical companies and doctors) that "depression" and "anxiety" are diseases that require drugs.

When we endure a loss, we have been taught that we now need to takes pills because we are "sick".

When we are enduring changes of life, new babies, new jobs, soccer practices, making lunches, getting dinner... we are taught that the overwhelmess we feel means we are "sick".

When we are sad and under pressure about our layoff from a job, we are taught we are "sick"

When are preteens,and teens are lipping off and not cooperating with our parenting demands, we are taught the frustration we feel requires chemical treatment because we are sick. We are taught our kids need them too.

We are being we are all sick!

We are taught the solution is a pill.

We are being taught that feeling sad, anxious, blah, even really sad is unecessary and if we do feel these things then we need to go to the doctor to get a pill.

What we arent being taught is that it is normal to have feelings.... its ok to have feelings..Time will help.

Sadly our medical profession doesnt supply us people who are there to listen and help us with new coping skills..

Instead they want to drug you, and throw you in a group with other drugged out people...If you wont take the pills they wont let you in the group.

Many many people never needed a pill or even a naturopath doctor...

All they needed was to be taught was that it is normal to feel..

diet, (cutting out sugars and bad gains)
excercise (at least 30 minutes of walking)
omegas, and vitamin B's and D
sleep
and sunshine outdoors
is the first place to start...

instead we are taught we need some kind of doctor because we are having a feeling that doesnt feel so good! (its called the feeling of Life)

Perhaps that's all you see because you have some sort of beef with the medical services. I see a little of that and a little of a whole lot of other stuff. It's like you can't see the forest for the tree your nose is up against and yet you're trying to describe the forest by what you see of the bark.

 

[gerryh]

OH OH OH OH

a little boy has died in Calgary....quick..... blame it on anti-d's.

Global Calgary | Calgary police investigate death of a child

 

[no more drugs]

Perhaps that's all you see because you have some sort of beef with the medical services. I see a little of that and a little of a whole lot of other stuff. It's like you can't see the forest for the tree your nose is up against and yet you're trying to describe the forest by what you see of the bark.

------------------------------------------

Gilbert,

My beef isnt with medical services as much as it is with pharmaceutical companies for pushing their mind altering drugs while their profits are more important than a life. I have clarified this a few times...

Then the feds for allowing it to happen (because they wont bite the hand that feeds them.)

More people who become educated about these pills and their overuse, nondiclosure, lack of testing, lack of reporting adverse reactions, to name a few , the better chance society will have in demanding change.

The medical profession also relies on pharmaceutical companies and the feds for information. If the medical profession isnt being made aware, then how could we hope for change? (more knowledge on the real dangers of these drugs and the pressure doctors have to write the prescriptions ..)

Its not the doctors fault that their profession has become driven by sales... not much different than a mechanic getting an hourly rate to fix your car, but trying to sell you a new set of tires (where he makes a bonus)

A doctor cant advance if he isnt a pill pusher ....he can also become blackballed if he speaks out about overuse and undereffeciency

snipped

"
PETER MANSBRIDGE: The Centre for Addiction and Mental Health is one of the country's top research centers. It's affiliated with the University of Toronto. And recently it was rocked by a bitter controversy surrounding this man, Dr. David Healy. He's an expert on anti-depressant drugs such as Prozac and the center offered him a prestigious job. But then suddenly it changed its mind. The decision the critics say was influenced by the center's relationship with powerful drug companies. Darrow MacIntyre has this feature documentary. "

CBC News and Current Affairs :The David Healy Affair

 

[L Gilbert]

------------------------------------------

Gilbert,

My beef isnt with medical services as much as it is with pharmaceutical companies for pushing their mind altering drugs while their profits are more important than a life. I have clarified this a few times...

Medical services. Pharma companies. Whatever. You have mentioned doctors besides mentioning pharmaceutical companies as well as having mentioned gov't. But that wasn't my point. I guess you missed it.

 

[gerryh]

Medical services. Pharma companies. Whatever. You have mentioned doctors besides mentioning pharmaceutical companies as well as having mentioned gov't. But that wasn't my point. I guess you missed it.

surprise, surprise, surprise.

 

[no more drugs]

snippet... written by Dr. David Healy - Psychiatrist Psychopharmacologist Scientist

"Doctors now report as few as 1% of the fatal adverse events that happen on treatment.
Doctors take 10-15 years after new and notable hazards of prescription drugs are first described to finally concede that these risks may be real.
Even after treatment hazards come flagged up in Black Boxes, many doctors still deny that treatment could cause the problem. -

Before 1962, the acme of the medical art lay in a concern for the safety of patients. Once doctors were made the conduit for new drugs, all of which were supposedly efficacious, they lost sight of safety. "

- See more at: DavidHealy.org | One Script to Rule them all

See more at: DavidHealy.org | One Script to Rule them all

 

[L Gilbert]

It happens. Science sometimes takes decades to recognize things that people have been taking for granted for decades.
Example: Scientists Finally Conclude Nonhuman Animals Are Conscious Beings | Psychology Today

Sometimes takes gov'ts even longer to see the same stuff.

 

[gerryh]

So, he describes himself as a psychopharmacologist. Decided to look that up and here is one psychiatrists take on it.

What is a psychopharmacologist?


October 15th, 2008
Sometimes potential patients ask whether I am a psychopharmacologist. Often they are not sure what the word means, but have been advised to seek one by a doctor, family member, or friend.
A psychopharmacologist is a psychiatrist who specializes in medication management. It is a self-applied label, as there is no special credential or license for this. All psychiatrists are qualified to prescribe medication. Some make this a primary practice focus, and develop expertise with complicated medication issues. Others virtually never prescribe medication, focusing instead on psychotherapy or some other aspect of practice. Most psychiatrists, at least here in the Bay Area, are somewhere in between.
I am not a psychopharmacologist. My practice leans toward psychotherapy. Nonetheless, like most psychiatrists, I have prescribed plenty of medication over the years. I weigh a variety of treatment options, and try to avoid a “one size fits all” approach. Rarely, a situation of great medical complexity or mystery arises in which I believe a patient would be better served by a true specialist in psychiatric medication — a psychopharmacologist. To be honest, it doesn’t happen very often.


What is a psychopharmacologist? | Reidbord's Reflections

 

[taxslave]

There have been. Wife's father is a herbologist (not papered) and sees quite a few people using substances that do adversely interact with each other. He's sorted out quite a few people because of what he sees. (The guy's a whiz at it. Does it just to be a good person but he will take gifts). Mind you, unless a person is using a herb or something in massive quantities along with an adverse one in massive quantities, the reactions are quite mild.

The better ones would likely suggest a specialist.

Now that is a handy person to have around the house. A good Naturopath is unlikely to give a person tow or more treatments that react adversely to each other although I'm sure it has happened. Biggest problem always seems to be when people take it upon themselves to change the dosage and/or add something else and not tell their doc. Which also happens with pharmaceuticals.

 

[L Gilbert]

Now that is a handy person to have around the house. A good Naturopath is unlikely to give a person tow or more treatments that react adversely to each other although I'm sure it has happened. Biggest problem always seems to be when people take it upon themselves to change the dosage and/or add something else and not tell their doc. Which also happens with pharmaceuticals.

Yes, unfortunately it does happen too frequently.

 

[no more drugs]

It happens. Science sometimes takes decades to recognize things that people have been taking for granted for decades.
Example: Scientists Finally Conclude Nonhuman Animals Are Conscious Beings | Psychology Today

Sometimes takes gov'ts even longer to see the same stuff.

Hi Gilbert,

I have been posting on the many unacceptable reasons for this .....

there is no good excuse for this...

And unless more of society sees that nondisclosure and no mandatory reporting system, and no transparency by the Feds and the pharmaceutical companies and re-educating society on alternative methods to drugs, nothing will change, and more importantly, it will become even worse...

 

[L Gilbert]

Hi Gilbert,

I have been posting on the many unacceptable reasons for this .....

there is no good excuse for this...

And unless more of society sees that nondisclosure and no mandatory reporting system, and no transparency by the Feds and the pharmaceutical companies and re-educating society on alternative methods to drugs, nothing will change, and more importantly, it will become even worse...

In case your nose has actually been up against the bark and haven't realized that gov'ts move extremely slowly, there has been progress over the years. Contemporary times are not the same as the snakeoil salesmen days of 2 or 3 hundred years ago.

 

[no more drugs]

When pschopharmacologist speaks out on the dangers, under reported adverse reactions, under testing and non disclosure, it is pretty telling.

Not only is this guy a phychiatrist but also has a degree in the study of psychopharmaceuticals.. Not all psychiatrists have the extra study in the chemical drug area alone..although both can write prescriptions.. the pharmcologist will have studied the chemical and its affects much more..

"
Clinical psychopharmacology is practiced by psychologists who have chosen to take the extra courses, most often in the form of a master's degree, needed to become certified to write prescriptions for their patients. These prescriptions are used to treat conditions like depression, schizophrenia, anxiety, bipolar disorder, and other mental conditions that respond well to drug therapy in addition to traditional therapy. This advanced degree allows a psychologist to use medications as part of their treatment of mental disorders, allowing for faster recovery and a more complete treatment for the patient.
There is a difference between being a psychiatrist and being certified in clinical psychopharmacology. A psychiatrist attended school first as a medical doctor, and then took additional training in psychology. Clinical psychopharmacology programs are most often taken by psychologists who are interested in being able to prescribe medications for their patients; something than most psychologists cannot do. A degree program in clinical psychopharmacology usually lasts two years. Typical courses include neuroscience, ethics, and pharmacy and psychopharmacology courses..
What Is Clinical Psychopharmacology?


snippet... written by Dr. David Healy - Psychiatrist, Psychopharmacologist, Scientist

"Doctors now report as few as 1% of the fatal adverse events that happen on treatment.
Doctors take 10-15 years after new and notable hazards of prescription drugs are first described to finally concede that these risks may be real.
Even after treatment hazards come flagged up in Black Boxes, many doctors still deny that treatment could cause the problem. -

Before 1962, the acme of the medical art lay in a concern for the safety of patients. Once doctors were made the conduit for new drugs, all of which were supposedly efficacious, they lost sight of safety. "

- See more at: DavidHealy.org | One Script to Rule them all

 

[no more drugs]

Excellent TV show on antidepressants ...and their (mostly concealed) adverse reactions of suicide and homicide ideation, as well and how the pharma companies know it, yet get away with it....and how Health Canada approves drugs ...(they only look at studies that show a drug works.

They dont look at studies that show it doesnt work..if 2 studies shows a pill works, and 10 show it doesnt, it would still get approved as Health Canada only looks at studies that have positive results even though there could be an overwhelming number of negative studies on the same drug...go figure!

Here is a link to the show 16 x 9

Drug Reactions: The effectiveness of antidepressants | Globalnews.ca

 

[Cannuck]

I'd bet 3 months of paychecks that the "Claresholm Killer" had eaten bread in the previous week before the crime.

Geoff Metcalf

 

[no more drugs]

I'd bet 3 months of paychecks that the "Claresholm Killer" had eaten bread in the previous week before the crime.

Geoff Metcalf

Huh??? lol

Im not sure if you read the entire thread..

It was recently reported that Derek Jensen had started taking antipsychotics which have a known adverse reaction of homicidal suicidal ideation...He was described as a non violent nice kid ...seems very possible that legal drugs played a huge part in such a horrific senseless loss.

So sad that so many lives were ruined and maybe all in vain..

These pills are given out like candy and the adverse reactions seem to be more and more concealed.. and we hear less and less about the reality of the adverse reactions (homicidal suicidal ideation)

 

[Cannuck]

Im not sure if you read the entire thread..

It was recently reported that Derek Jensen had started taking antipsychotics which have a known adverse reaction of homicidal suicidal ideation...He was described as a non violent nice kid ...seems very possible that legal drugs played a huge part in such a horrific senseless loss.

What wasn't reported is whether or not he had eaten bread in the hours or days leading up to the killings. This is just more evidence that "Big Bread" is not being honest. Bread is sold everywhere and even to children and the adverse reactions seem to be more and more concealed.

These pills are given out like candy and the adverse reactions seem to be more and more concealed.. and we hear less and less about the reality of the adverse reactions (homicidal suicidal ideation)

My wife is on anti-psychotic medication. It is not given out like candy and it has been nothing short of a godsend. As her legal guardian, I am fully aware of what the side effects are. Nobody "hid" anything from me.

 

[no more drugs]

What wasn't reported is whether or not he had eaten bread in the hours or days leading up to the killings. This is just more evidence that "Big Bread" is not being honest. Bread is sold everywhere and even to children and the adverse reactions seem to be more and more concealed.



My wife is on anti-psychotic medication. It is not given out like candy and it has been nothing short of a godsend. As her legal guardian, I am fully aware of what the side effects are. Nobody "hid" anything from me.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Im glad your wife has found something that helps. Mnay experts agree that these drugs may help about 1 in every 10 people ... Sounds like your wife may be tat one!

Im glad the professionals gave you the low down on antipsychotcs and their horrible serious adverse reactions... Many dont and there is no legal mandate for a doctor, or a pharmacist to disclose them. There is also no mandate for any doctor or any pharmacist saying they are obligated to report adverse reactions to Health Canada...

Sad that reported adverse reactions made to your doc or pharmacist can go in one ear, and out the other..

 

[Tonington]

Mnay experts agree that these drugs may help about 1 in every 10 people ...

Source?

 

[no more drugs]

Source?

Hi Tonington,

You quoted me from my post but apparently you didnt read all the post.. The many expert sources is in this link...It is very short and can be watchd from Canada

Drug Reactions: The effectiveness of antidepressants | Globalnews.ca