Claresholm, AB Killer - Were Antipsychotics to Blame?
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For anyone who is interested in 2001, a world renowned Dr David Healy (from the UK) was going to head up The Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (in the area of Mood and anxiety disorders)
Dr Healy is a well versed doctor who's research has shown him that antidperessants/antipsychotics work for some but certainly not all. He is an advocate of homicide and suicide ideation and that these adverse reactions are far under reported.
After arriving in Canada for his new job, that evening he gave a speech where his opinions of the drugs (the good and bad) were shared. The next day he was let go....
The below article with Peter Mansbridge and Darrow MacIntyre (from CBC - The National) discussed in depth with him and several doctors as to how the pharmaceutical companies who pay for most of the reseach want numbers hidden and distorted and dont want the truth out there..It also shows how the pharmaceutical companies run the medical profession and influence doctors ..It shows how the pharmaceutical companies get to continue to conceal and deceive people through leading doctors to do their dirty work...If a doctor steps outside and speaks up, he gets blackballed..
This doctor and some colleagues had the guts to speak out.. I wish more did...
snippet..
"MACINTYRE: In fact, just last week, in a U.S. court a jury did decide this man killed his wife, his daughter, his granddaughter and himself because he was suffering from an adverse reaction to Paxil, an S.S.R.I. similar to Prozac but made by Glaxo SmithKline. An expert witness in the case, David Healy. From her law offices in downtown Chicago, lawyer Nancy Zettler has spent ten years battling drug companies in legal cases about S.S.R.I.'s and suicide. She's seen those companies dig up and air any dirt they can to discredit critics, including Healy. "
Here is the article....
CBC News and Current Affairs :The David Healy Affair
yes, but you get my point. If the side effects are being hidden, people not listened to, yadda yadda, then the side effect never would have been published, period.
Here are the (undisclosed) adverse reactions of Abilify ... the consumer is not given this list...
(this drug was found in the case last week where Nerlin killed her 7 year old son.. the seacrh warrant says police officers took 6 items from the home.. one of them was a box of Abilify...
Abilify
Psychiatric Disorders
≥ 1/100 patients - suicidal ideation; ≥ 1/1000 patients and < 1/100 patients - aggression, loss of libido, suicide attempt, hostility, libido increased, anger, anorgasmia, delirium, intentional self injury, completed suicide, tic, homicidal ideation; < 1/1000 patients - catatonia, sleep walking
Abilify (Aripiprazole) Drug Information: Side Effects and Drug Interactions - Prescribing Information at RxList
So why is it that more people with mental health issues do not go to Naturopaths for help? They have many remedies and will search for the root of the problem instead of treating the effects? So far as I know there has never been a negative reaction to naturopathic remedies.
lol Karrie.. it isnt given to the people..(its given to the medical people who dont have to share the information)
watchdogs got their hands on it and put it on the net.. These monographs can be hard to find on the net also..
Sometimes you have to pay a membership fee to join a site that has copies of the monograph...
Taxslave .. great question..
I believe the answer is because society has been taught that you can take a great pill and have all your problems solved.. All you need to do is go and see the doctor and get a prescription....
We are taught by the medical profession that these drugs cure all and are safe, so we teach this to our parents and our children alike...
Pharmaceutical companies spend more money on marketing than on studies..and monitoring!
Its all about the almighty dollar...
naturopaths cost, plain and simple. For many people, that makes them not an option. It would be nice if there were more homeopathic style docs out there willing to work with people instead of toss pills at them, to see if there were other options.
I have to ask though, for some of the more grave conditions, like schizophrenia, what would a naturopath do to help?
Publishing a direct effect (there is no such thing as a sideffect) on a package without publishing the rate of occurance is a way of covering it up even with black box warnings like the US or none at all like here in Canada.
A lot of people had to die for those US black warning boxes and they will continue to die.
Do the warnings work?
Are GPs made aware of the occurance rates?
Look back to when it was cool to be on Prozac, Paxil, etc. It was popular because they were getting high from it. Borderline manic and many went manic and liked it. People who had never gotten high before were groovin' to the serotonin/dopamine scene. When they stopped taking it after it peaks and becomes ineffective, they crash miserably. People who had no clue they were high crashing is a really really bad thing.
10 years later it's still a problem and ****loads are afraid to stop taking it for fear of the withdrawl.
Do GPs hand SSRIs out like lollipops like they once did?
Placebo effect and mild prophylaxis of low dose herbals.
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Your right! There is a cost which deters people from potential "better' more effective help. It may be worth the cost though!
As far as schizophrenia, many cases are actually "drug induced" yes by psychopharmaceuticals and even pot!
Drug-induced Psychosis up 400% in Australia
Read more... Schizophrenia and Substance Abuse
A new study out of Australia's National Drug and Alcohol Research Center has found that during the past decade there has been a 400% increase in the number of people treated for drug-induced psychosis (psychosis is a medical term for loss of touch with reality; a key symptom of schizophrenia). In 1994, there were 55.5 cases per million people, rising to 253 per million by 2004 says the report, published in the Medical Journal of Australia
Schizophrenia Daily News Blog: Drug-induced Psychosis up 400% in Australia
"Psychotherapy
One-fifth to one-third of all patients with schizophrenia do not respond adequately to drug treatment. Many patients who have been successfully treated with medications experience the "awakenings" phenomena, which are painful reactions that are manifested as inner emotions and the recognition of real losses. The effects of the disease, in any case, are profoundly emotional. As a result, psychological therapies can be helpful for many patients."
Schizophrenia - In-Depth Report - NY Times Health
The answer I got is too complicated. Short version is that it depends a lot on the person and if the problem is caused by a chemical imbalance caused by food allergies or trauma. SOme may be helped , some not. Possible that a Naturopath could help make drugs work better too or require smaller doses.
More like curing the cause instead of masking the symptoms.
I agree 100% with a culture of self care, cautious medication use, and reasoned attempts to access natural alternatives based upon the individual. While the answer may have been complicated, your summation is pretty much what I expected she'd say about it.
Taxslave,
It appears that society has been taught (by pharmaceutical companies and doctors) that "depression" and "anxiety" are diseases that require drugs.
When we endure a loss, we have been taught that we now need to takes pills because we are "sick".
When we are enduring changes of life, new babies, new jobs, soccer practices, making lunches, getting dinner... we are taught that the overwhelmess we feel means we are "sick".
When we are sad and under pressure about our layoff from a job, we are taught we are "sick"
When are preteens,and teens are lipping off and not cooperating with our parenting demands, we are taught the frustration we feel requires chemical treatment because we are sick. We are taught our kids need them too.
We are being we are all sick!
We are taught the solution is a pill.
We are being taught that feeling sad, anxious, blah, even really sad is unecessary and if we do feel these things then we need to go to the doctor to get a pill.
What we arent being taught is that it is normal to have feelings.... its ok to have feelings..Time will help.
Sadly our medical profession doesnt supply us people who are there to listen and help us with new coping skills..
Instead they want to drug you, and throw you in a group with other drugged out people...If you wont take the pills they wont let you in the group.
Many many people never needed a pill or even a naturopath doctor...
All they needed was to be taught was that it is normal to feel..
diet, (cutting out sugars and bad gains)
excercise (at least 30 minutes of walking)
omegas, and vitamin B's and D
sleep
and sunshine outdoors
is the first place to start...
instead we are taught we need some kind of doctor because we are having a feeling that doesnt feel so good! (its called the feeling of Life)
Wow, where were you brought up and what kind of sick abusive parents did you have? I wasn't taught any of that.
That's exactley what I was taught. Sure sucks to be you to have been taught otherwise.
Yup, that's what I was taught, and as a matter of fact, I see comercials on TV and other media saying exactly the same thing. It really sucks to be you living where you live.
See above
Im not sure what ads you get on your TV or in your newspaper, but the ones we have out West say "Depression Hurts" then they tell you to see your doctor for a pill... they also so its ok to take the pill and that you arent alone....
Amother ad (out west) shows a young woman leaving a voicemail that she will be out of the office today...
The ad goes on to offer the solution to take a pill......
Out West, we dont have commercials that advise us alternatives to drugs...... or that advise us what other options there are.. Lucky you for having better ads...
Gerry,
I found your conclusion that I had sick abusive parents, to be somewhat of a personal attack. You said and I will quote you..
"said by Gerry ...... "Wow, where were you brought up and what kind of sick abusive parents did you have?"
So Ger....
I am of the belief that Canadian Content forum is to share opinions..
It is apparent that you disagree with my opinion, where I have voiced my concern about psychopharmaceuticals, in general.
I dont have a problem that you disagree, however personal attacks are off limits as per Canadian Content's guidelines so I ask that you respect the forum, and find a way to leave out my parents out of any disagreement you have with me, from here on out. Thank you.
Oh....I'm sorry, it wasn't your parents that taught you? Who was it that taught you this stupidity? Were you self taught?
There have been. Wife's father is a herbologist (not papered) and sees quite a few people using substances that do adversely interact with each other. He's sorted out quite a few people because of what he sees. (The guy's a whiz at it. Does it just to be a good person but he will take gifts). Mind you, unless a person is using a herb or something in massive quantities along with an adverse one in massive quantities, the reactions are quite mild.
The better ones would likely suggest a specialist.
So you still slam my parents and now call me stupid????
I dont appreciate your cyberbullying tactics which is exactly what they are... I will ask you one more time to kindly refrain from the personal attacks
I'm asking questions, you haven't seen me "attack" yet.
You post unsubstantiated bullshyte, ALL OVER the forum and then duck and weave when asked to back up your crap. You can be sure that I will now be all over you like flies on shyte little one.