Answer To A Healthy Heart Puts Big Pharma In A Fix

[darkbeaver]

Right, though perhaps you missed the part about people who eat well and exercise daily and still have these problems. Like I said, a lot of the chronic diseases we see today are part of living longer. There's no question that poor lifestyles contribute. I never said they didn't. Just that it's not as simple as the simple minded would have you think.

No it's environment. The chronic diseases we see today are the results of unnatural environmental impact. O of the Razor disagrees with your argument from complexity. My great grandparents were simple people with simple lives they were not simple minded. Complex people with neurotic lives jammed into vast suburban synthetic zones all develope developement diseases.

 

[L Gilbert]

Didn't I have to sit in on one of your short lectures recently about misuse of tools?

Nope. I make allowances for some students that can't keep up with the rest of the class.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't know beav...my friends mum just passed on at 94, still living in her own home...she could pound down more food than some guys, and had her own little idea about what kept her healthy, if I ate like her with my heredity, I'd be dead already.

but she was active for sure...took up bowling at 90 and joined a team for a couple of years...did volunteer work...apparently social contact and feeling loved and supported is a factor too

Exactly you got to have social connections and extended families and close proximity to trees and seas. The MacScientists have not patented and bottled that yet. Allah knows they sell enough happy pills trying though.

 

[Tonington]

No it's environment. The chronic diseases we see today are the results of unnatural environmental impact. O of the Razor disagrees with your argument from complexity.

:lol: What do you know about Occam's razor? A simple hypothesis that it's just environment fails for the cases I've already mentioned. The reality is more complex, and stating genetic factors is not an assumption, there is clear evidence.

My great grandparents were simple people with simple lives they were not simple minded.

Our bodies are anything but simple, yet we have charlatans everywhere making simplified explanations, assuming implicitly in their simpleness, that something complex can be simply stated. It's not true. :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

Nope. I make allowances for some students that can't keep up with the rest of the class.

Your character is beyond reproach. yer humble studense DB

 

[Sal]

Exactly you got to have social connections and extended families and close proximity to trees and seas. The MacScientists have not patented and bottled that yet. Allah knows they sell enough happy pills trying though.

well she lived in the middle of a big city, she had her opinion on everything which she shared like it or not, and she wasn't shy about telling you the "right way to do things" which of course was her way... lol but she sure had lots of friends and did her own garden right up until the end.

 

[L Gilbert]

No it's environment. The chronic diseases we see today are the results of unnatural environmental impact. O of the Razor disagrees with your argument from complexity. My great grandparents were simple people with simple lives they were not simple minded. Complex people with neurotic lives jammed into vast suburban synthetic zones all develope developement diseases.

lol Partially true. Sometimes it is a matter of synthetic environment, but sometimes it is naturally environmental, genetic, etc. People haven't developed heart disease, TB, malaria, etc. only in the past couple hundred years.

 

[darkbeaver]

well she lived in the middle of a big city, she had her opinion on everything which she shared like it or not, and she wasn't shy about telling you the "right way to do things" which of course was her way... lol but she sure had lots of friends and did her own garden right up until the end.

She was tough then, the happiness factor seems to be a very strong card in every case.

 

[L Gilbert]

:lol: What do you know about Occam's razor? A simple hypothesis that it's just environment fails for the cases I've already mentioned. The reality is more complex, and stating genetic factors is not an assumption, there is clear evidence.



Our bodies are anything but simple, yet we have charlatans everywhere making simplified explanations, assuming implicitly in their simpleness, that something complex can be simply stated. It's not true. :lol:

Sure it is! And I have a bottle of Cure-all snakeoil, batwing bearings, blackgold, n mummified dragonwing powder to prove it. Cures everything.

 

[darkbeaver]

lol Partially true. Sometimes it is a matter of synthetic environment, but sometimes it is naturally environmental, genetic, etc. People haven't developed heart disease, TB, malaria, etc. only in the past couple hundred years.

The tendency to these diseases have always been there all that is necessary to realize the disease is some environmental factor to initiate the onset. Disease cannot exist in healthy people.

 

[L Gilbert]

roflmao

 

[darkbeaver]

:lol: What do you know about Occam's razor? A simple hypothesis that it's just environment fails for the cases I've already mentioned. The reality is more complex, and stating genetic factors is not an assumption, there is clear evidence.



Our bodies are anything but simple, yet we have charlatans everywhere making simplified explanations, assuming implicitly in their simpleness, that something complex can be simply stated. It's not true. :lol:

If genetic factors are that certain a path to disease why do the diseases keep being passed on? Wouldn't evolution have eliminated the bad genes by now? I take umbrage at your insinuation that the environment isn't complex enough for you.

 

[L Gilbert]

If genetic factors are that certain a path to disease why do the diseases keep being passed on? Wouldn't evolution have eliminated the bad genes by now?

Genes are not that particularly easy to get rid of. Usually(and I can't think of an instance when they do), they don't just die or go poof out of existence; they just switch off.

 

[Tonington]

If genetic factors are that certain a path to disease why do the diseases keep being passed on? Wouldn't evolution have eliminated the bad genes by now?

Because people have kids before the onset of disease...obviously. What part of living long is confusing you? Genetic fitness means passing on your genes. When the onset of disease takes place after the reproductive phase of a person's life it obviously will have zero impact on the ability to pass on genes. :roll:

 

[Cliffy]

Because people have kids before the onset of disease...obviously. What part of living long is confusing you? Genetic fitness means passing on your genes. When the onset of disease takes place after the reproductive phase of a person's life it obviously will have zero impact on the ability to pass on genes. :roll:

I guess too many people took Spock seriously when he said, "Live long and prosper." Damn Volcans! They really messed up. Now we're over crowded with baby boomers!.

 

[darkbeaver]

Because people have kids before the onset of disease...obviously. What part of living long is confusing you? Genetic fitness means passing on your genes. When the onset of disease takes place after the reproductive phase of a person's life it obviously will have zero impact on the ability to pass on genes. :roll:

Yes, thank you. What I had in mind was the shortening of the reproductive phase due to the disease eventually ah lessening the expression and confining it to ah er smaller and smaller and smaller carrier populations, perhaps.