Poll: Which is more hateful?

[petros]

Not offensive. Deliberate ignorance is just humorous to me.

All it takes is one idiot to act on those words and the humour ends in an instant.

That one single incident, even if it's spray painting something on a wall which is derogatory incited by those words ties the person who made the statement guilty of a hate crime.

Keep in mind that ignorant statements like that garnered support for the attempted genocide of Jews, Roma and Slavics in Europe and more recently lead to the bloodbath in Somalia.

Giggling and dismissing statements of that sort can make you indirectly responsible for any harm that may occur to the targeted group.

Doing or saying nothing only gives those who take the words serious a green light to continue being first class azzholes which can easily snowball into bloodshed.

It's nothing to giggle about.

 

[Nuggler]

No,

But I have encountered anti-White hostility in reserves in Big Trout Lake and other Cree/Ojibway First Nations in Northern Ontario .

Not a wise place for you to be hanging about .

Serious vagrancy laws.

 

[earth_as_one]

In a former career, I would travel to remote communities to maintain and repair electronic equipment related to the airport. Typically Fly in one day, stay over night and leave the next day. In Big Trout Lake, people would throw their garbage over the fence into the equipment compound... I suspect that was a statement.

One First Nation (I can't rember which), lost their navigation beacon. So I was dispatched to repair it. Someone shot themselves and needed to be medi-evac'd. ONly the weather crapped out and without a beacon, the flight was delayed until the following day, which is when I got there. When I got to the equipment site, the navigation beacon's impedance matching transformer at the base of the transmitting tower had been shot... which why it wasn't working. A good chance that the same idiot who shot themselves also shot out the transformer and as a result had to wait for medical services... maybe... I don't know. I'm just hoping the two incidents were related.

Other times I've had to clean human excrement off the steps in front of the equipment building.

Its stuff like that that communicated to me that some First Nation people are hostile to white people.

I can honestly say that I never encountered problems like that in communities that were predominately Inuit. The Cree and Ojibway seemed to be the most hostile towards white people. Knowing the abuses that happened in the residential schools, I can understand the hostility, but I never had anything to do with it and if I witnessed those sorts of abuses, I would have said something.

 

[layzingin]

Ever been labelled a racist because you were
a- Doing your job
b- White

Not me,but as a young boy in school I was call a (dirty stinking indian) by a white boy and by god, he didn't look white when I finished with him. I no longer react in that way after reaching adulthood. It doesn't solve anything.

 

[Johnnny]

My moms mom polish, and we know there is jewish blood in my veins, and my moms dad is czeck so we know a little gypsie is in there too.... Neither of those terms offend me... What offends me is when little uneducated children with nothing going for them but their anger call me a nazi because im a white Canadian ....

Not me,but as a young boy in school I was call a (dirty stinking indian) by a white boy and by god, he didn't look white when I finished with him. I no longer react in that way after reaching adulthood. It doesn't solve anything.

Big deal thats no different than the natives i met that call me names because im white... Ive never had to punch somoene out becuase i was offended i just felt sorry for them because they have a complexion that makes them juvenille in the mind and spirit

 

[layzingin]

My moms mom polish, and we know there is jewish blood in my veins, and my moms dad is czeck so we know a little gypsie is in there too.... Neither of those terms offend me... What offends me is when little uneducated children with nothing going for them but their anger call me a nazi because im a white Canadian ....



Big deal thats no different than the natives i met that call me names because im white... Ive never had to punch somoene out becuase i was offended i just felt sorry for them because they have a complexion that makes them juvenille in the mind and spirit

I guess I wasn't as mature as you when I was nine.

 

[Johnnny]

My favourite is when the natives of Ontario Natives talk about how the Mohawks are going to smash all the white people around because they have automatic weapons and smuggle people and drugs over the border...

 

[earth_as_one]

Not me,but as a young boy in school I was call a (dirty stinking indian) by a white boy and by god, he didn't look white when I finished with him. I no longer react in that way after reaching adulthood. It doesn't solve anything.

Racism like that against First Nations people was common where I grew up. But as a kid I never noticed it. (I wasn't on the receiving end like you) But after I grew up, left and returned... I noticed and I don't keep my mouth shut. If I see or hear something like what you experienced, I will say something now.

Considering Canada has a shortage of skilled workers and First nation people are our fastest growing demographic, its in Canada own self interest to stamp out anti-First Nation discrimination. Canada needs to educate and train First Nations people much better than we have in the past if we are going to be able to continue to be a First World nation.

 

[layzingin]

My favourite is when the natives of Ontario Natives talk about how the Mohawks are going to smash all the white people around because they have automatic weapons and smuggle people and drugs over the border...

You know something John, if someone threaten to smash you around, I would help you and I'm sure you'd do the same.
There are always the good and bad in every camp and lucky for us in Canada there are mostly good.

 

[Johnnny]

Ingin you know i have this feeling that we came from the same social setting in that we grew up with some bad people and mabye we were affected by that... I think we go to the same kind of sleeze bars, and hangout with the same kind of sketchy people... You have turned a leaf ive noticed from the posts your making, so im going to go ahead and say im sorry for going overboard with what ive experienced before... How about we bury the hatchet and just go about posting on the forum and share our experiences in a calm collected manner... I think between the both of us we could bring alot of experiences to light that can be discussed in a manner that has eluded me for awhile. Im sorry i let me past experiences get the better of me..

After all cooperation is key and i may have underscored the importance of that in previous posts..

 

[layzingin]

Ingin you know i have this feeling that we came from the same social setting in that we grew up with some bad people and mabye we were affected by that... I think we go to the same kind of sleeze bars, and hangout with the same kind of sketchy people... You have turned a leaf ive noticed from the posts your making, so im going to go ahead and say im sorry for going overboard with what ive experienced before... How about we bury the hatchet and just go about posting on the forum and share our experiences in a calm collected manner... I think between the both of us we could bring alot of experiences to light that can be discussed in a manner that has eluded me for awhile. Im sorry i let me past experiences get the better of me..

After all cooperation is key and i may have underscored the importance of that in previous posts..

Thank you very much John, that means a lot. You have no need to apologize.

 

[Walter]

...all Scots are cheap, ..all Irish are bad tempered drunks.

Ne'er a truer word was spoken.

 

[L Gilbert]

All it takes is one idiot to act on those words and the humour ends in an instant.

That one single incident, even if it's spray painting something on a wall which is derogatory incited by those words ties the person who made the statement guilty of a hate crime.

Keep in mind that ignorant statements like that garnered support for the attempted genocide of Jews, Roma and Slavics in Europe and more recently lead to the bloodbath in Somalia.

Giggling and dismissing statements of that sort can make you indirectly responsible for any harm that may occur to the targeted group.

Doing or saying nothing only gives those who take the words serious a green light to continue being first class azzholes which can easily snowball into bloodshed.

It's nothing to giggle about.

Idiots and a$$holes will abuse anything. Doesn't mean the general concept cannot be laughable. Ignorance can be quite comical.

Not me,but as a young boy in school I was call a (dirty stinking indian) by a white boy and by god, he didn't look white when I finished with him. I no longer react in that way after reaching adulthood. It doesn't solve anything.

There were a couple similar instances in my life. Even at that time, though, I wasn't going to let the disparaging comments and attitudes from a couple people dissuade me from being friends with their neighbors and relatives.

 

[CDNBear]

While I agree that he has the right to say it, others have the responsibility to "yell" him down.

Yelling people down isn't responsible or right.

It is called democracy.

It most certainly is not.

If we do not address it, the poison builds.

That's why you don't don't shout them down.

All that does is drive them underground, where you can't address their ignorance.

My favourite is when the natives of Ontario Natives talk about how the Mohawks are going to smash all the white people around because they have automatic weapons and smuggle people and drugs over the border...

Funny, I've never heard that blanket statement made.

I have however heard it said that if Quebec separates the Mohawk will fight for their sovereignty. And yes, with automatic weapons.

 

[SLM]

Yelling people down isn't responsible or right.

It most certainly is not.

That's why you don't don't shout them down.

While I wouldn't probably use the term 'yell', I do agree that it is a responsibility to stand up and speak out against the ignorant.

I just happen to think mocking them does that too. Ya got to have a little fun and laughter in the mix after all.

All that does is drive them underground, where you can't address their ignorance.

I agree. But while you should support their right to say what they say, you can't ignore the content of the message either.

 

[Blackie]

Both are stereotypes. Neither is offensive to me at least because I think stereotypes are rather stupid and I don't take offense either easily or often.

Would you be offended if you were actually Jewish?

 

[CDNBear]

While I wouldn't probably use the term 'yell', I do agree that it is a responsibility to stand up and speak out against the ignorant.

Of course.

I just happen to think mocking them does that too.

So do I. Which is why I do that too.

Ya got to have a little fun and laughter in the mix after all.

Absolutely. If not for the fun, it would simply be an exercise in bashing ones head against a wall.

I agree. But while you should support their right to say what they say, you can't ignore the content of the message either.

True. But you can't ignore the context either.

 

[SLM]

Would you be offended if you were actually Jewish?

Don't you mean would I be offended if I were actually Jewish or Gypsy? Or are you just cherry picking the "offensive" statements in the OP?

But no, you're right. It's so much better to allow the ignorant and bigoted to have so much power over you as to get angered by their sentiments.

Screw that. I have no compunction whatsoever about telling them just how ignorant they are but I will never allow the small minded to have that kind of power over me. But you go right ahead if it makes you feel better.

True. But you can't ignore the context either.

You're right there. Ignoring the context throws away an opportunity to impart some knowledge and reason. People feel the way they feel, that it gets twisted and skewed into something dark and evil and bigoted will not be corrected by stamping your feet and throwing inane names back at them.

Work smart, not hard.

 

[Sal]

Yelling people down isn't responsible or right.

You are right, that was poorly worded. I meant that if they understand that the majority do not think in that manner and will not allow that type of abuse to go unaddressed it become them against the world. Silence is not always golden.

It most certainly is not.

No? Why not? Are we not free to state our opinions on both sides of the issue?

That's why you don't don't shout them down.

All that does is drive them underground, where you can't address their ignorance.

Agree, correction made, see above.