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Dexter Sinister

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Socratus, according to one of your links up there, "Stars are nodes in electrical circuits." No, they demonstrably are not, the magnetic fields those postulated circuits would generate do not exist. If they did they would overwhelm the earth's field by many orders of magnitude, compasses would not work, and the solar wind could not be electrically neutral. When you start taking a site like thunderbolts.info seriously, you might as well give up all hope of understanding physics. Anybody with a second year undergraduate level of understanding will recognize that as a crackpot site. Despite darkbeaver's ongoing protests to the contrary, the universe is not electric in the way he and the junk sites he likes to cite think it is.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I didn't say you did, so no I'm not. Your post #56 contains a link to thunderbolts.info, where it says, among a lot of other stupid things, "Stars are nodes in electrical circuits."
 

socratus

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I didn't say you did, so no I'm not.
Your post #56 contains a link to thunderbolts.info,
where it says, among a lot of other stupid things,
"Stars are nodes in electrical circuits."

About 'stars', about ' gravity and star formation'
I wrote only one ( 1) article in 2008..

Entropy. / My opinion /
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics.relativity/2008-04/msg01975.html


I think it is my best article.

And before I wrote article on the same theme:

Gravity, Particles and Star Formation
http://wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
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About "Stars are nodes in electrical circuits." I know nothing.
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By the way:
I received many emails from professors on the theme of entropy,
and I know that it is very hard to do from my scheme
the theory of star formation , it can take long - long time .

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All the best.
israel socratus

 

darkbeaver

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Socratus, according to one of your links up there, "Stars are nodes in electrical circuits." No, they demonstrably are not, the magnetic fields those postulated circuits would generate do not exist. If they did they would overwhelm the earth's field by many orders of magnitude, compasses would not work, and the solar wind could not be electrically neutral. When you start taking a site like thunderbolts.info seriously, you might as well give up all hope of understanding physics. Anybody with a second year undergraduate level of understanding will recognize that as a crackpot site. Despite darkbeaver's ongoing protests to the contrary, the universe is not electric in the way he and the junk sites he likes to cite think it is.

I don't usually address you directly because of your gravity contaminated state but I think it's only fair and responsible for me to intervene with a warning to the many children and young adults who read CC regularly and increasingly expecting the best of honest scientific commentary.
Warning
Good evening boys and girls stay away from the above posters science comments he has escaped from a max insane assylym for the treatment of accretion disc addicts and fusion sun junkies. Do not feed, Approach with a net, Have all applicable vaccinations, Duck and roll. Electricity rules the universe gravity sucks.

About 'stars', about ' gravity and star formation'
I wrote only one ( 1) article in 2008..

Entropy. / My opinion /
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics.relativity/2008-04/msg01975.html


I think it is my best article.

And before I wrote article on the same theme:

Gravity, Particles and Star Formation
http://wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
========= .

About "Stars are nodes in electrical circuits." I know nothing.
==....
By the way:
I received many emails from professors on the theme of entropy,
and I know that it is very hard to do from my scheme
the theory of star formation , it can take long - long time .

==..
All the best.
israel socratus



Gravity plays absolutely no role in star formation which can happen in under a minute. Fusion happens in the corona and nowhere on the sun proper.

 

darkbeaver

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The Electrodynamic Pulse of Life


Charles William Lucas, Jr.

Every year that goes by we learn more about the electricity of life. Subtle electric currents and electromagnetic frequencies are pervasive in biological systems, all with powerful implications for human health and healing. Mr. Lucas earned his doctorate in Intermediate Energy Physics from William and Mary in 1972. His important discoveries include a universal electrodynamic force law and a new theory of elementary particles in terms of closed charge loops giving rise to improved theories of the atom, the nucleus and molecules. 34 minutes

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Human Metabolism Meets Cosmic Metabolism


James Oschman

The human body contains various electronic circuits that regulate virtually every physiological process. Flows of electrons and other charged particles in these circuits give rise to biomagnetic fields that radiate from the body and interact with the fields of the earth and lunar, solar, interplanetary, and interstellar fields. Dr. Oschman is a biophysicist and international lecturer on the scientific basis for energy medicine. He is the author of two books and over 100 articles. 49 minutes

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electric universe 2012 conference DVDs | thunderbolts.info

The Failed Attempts to Detect Macro Lensing


Edward Dowdye, Jr.

General Relativity proposes a bending of light in the vacuum of space around stars and galaxies. But evidence shows it is the plasma rim of the Sun, not surrounding space, that bends light, and time-resolved images of stars orbiting Sagittarius A* do not show the predicted “Einstein rings”. Dr. Dowdye, originator of the Extinction Shift Principle, a dual challenge to General and Special Relativity, is an electrical engineer (former NASA) with degrees in mathematics and physics. 44 minutes

full length presentation

The Role of Water in the Electric Body


Gerald Pollack

The role of water is central in understanding how biological systems work. Our body is 99% water molecules. At the interface of cellular material these water molecules become a highly structured liquid crystal medium. This liquid crystal carries charge and is in dynamic relationship to charge of tissue in the body and the electromagnetic energy in the environment we live in. Dr. Pollack is a professor in the bioengineering department of the University of Washington. He has spent the last 10 years researching the role of water in biological tissue. His discoveries will have a profound impact on the nature of disease and healing. 53 minutes

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Plasma Behavior in the Floating Water Bridge & Biology


Robert Johnson

Filamentary current flow with self-organising electromagnetic structure is a fundamental mode of transport in plasma. Application of the same principles to the Floating Water Bridge phenomenon and to tubular biological flows reveals insights into hitherto unexplained behavior in both cases. Mr. Johnson is an independent researcher, a long-standing supporter of the Plasma Universe paradigm, and author of the original outline for the “Essential Guide to the Electric Universe.” 28 minutes

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Does DNA know geometry ?
Did DNA create child from zygote by the chance ?

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Sinisters accusation and condemnation by association with Electric Universe proponents should not negatively impact anyone
at all given the sheer bulk of very talented brains at this moment in time working with the electrical theory of the universe.
It is clear beyond any doubt that those adherents to the big bang fiasco are are invested religiously to what has been proven to be a horrific fraud that discredits the whole of modern physics. All is not lost however as the electrical theory is far too powerful and useful to be ignored very much longer. That great utility to mankind is perhaps the reason for its suppression thus far. The work indicates the need for an overhaul and comprehensive review of the total of physics to date. That is a very big undertaking but it is truly revolutionary for humanity.

 

L Gilbert

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Gravity plays absolutely no role in star formation which can happen in under a minute.
I really do think this thread belongs in the "Fun & Jokes" forum.
No, stars do not form in under a minute.

A cloudy mystery: Puzzling cloud near galaxy's center may hold clues to how stars are born

http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/~reipurth/reviews/larson.pdf

As usual, the dim rodent provides hypothesis and support for said hypothesis without providing the math. Not only that, the "support" that he does provide for the hypothesis ignores little things like laws and theories of physics. Like I said; this thread belongs in the "Fun & Jokes" section.
 

darkbeaver

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I really do think this thread belongs in the "Fun & Jokes" forum.
No, stars do not form in under a minute.

As usual, the dim rodent provides hypothesis and support for said hypothesis without providing the math. Not only that, the "support" that he does provide for the hypothesis ignores little things like laws and theories of physics. Like I said; this thread belongs in the "Fun & Jokes" section.

You begin with "I really do think". I'm not convinced. People often make fun and jokes of things they cannot understand or are frightened by. Math compliments and follows physics it does not constitute physics.


Thoughts on ‘The Future of Theoretical Physics and Cosmology’ November 20, 2012 by Jeremy Dunning-Davies
here is a picture on the third page of Karl Schwarzschild with a heading explaining that he “discovered the solution to Einstein’s equations which describes a non-spinning black hole”. On the first page is the said solution in the form:

the form which appears in most textbooks. It might be noted that nowhere does Thorne define r and it is not unreasonable to assume that most would take r, θ, φ to represent the usual polar coordinates. Of course, as Stephen Crothers and I have pointed out on numerous occasions, this is not the form of Schwarzschild’s solution that appears in his original article; in fact, in that article, there is no singularity when r = 2M, such as appears here. Since that mathematical singularity might be deemed the ‘origin’ of the notion of a black hole in general relativity, an obvious problem exists here for the proponents of the status quo but the point is never raised. Hence, once again, we’re faced with the query over the real origin of black holes. However, one thing can be certain, they are, in some way at least, a result of some theory, some mathematical manipulation, but not of observation or experiment.
All the way through the articles in this section, as well as those in subsequent se
 

L Gilbert

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You begin with "I really do think". I'm not convinced. People often make fun and jokes of things they cannot understand or are frightened by. Math compliments and follows physics it does not constitute physics.


Thoughts on ‘The Future of Theoretical Physics and Cosmology’ November 20, 2012 by Jeremy Dunning-Davies
here is a picture on the third page of Karl Schwarzschild with a heading explaining that he “discovered the solution to Einstein’s equations which describes a non-spinning black hole”. On the first page is the said solution in the form:

the form which appears in most textbooks. It might be noted that nowhere does Thorne define r and it is not unreasonable to assume that most would take r, θ, φ to represent the usual polar coordinates. Of course, as Stephen Crothers and I have pointed out on numerous occasions, this is not the form of Schwarzschild’s solution that appears in his original article; in fact, in that article, there is no singularity when r = 2M, such as appears here. Since that mathematical singularity might be deemed the ‘origin’ of the notion of a black hole in general relativity, an obvious problem exists here for the proponents of the status quo but the point is never raised. Hence, once again, we’re faced with the query over the real origin of black holes. However, one thing can be certain, they are, in some way at least, a result of some theory, some mathematical manipulation, but not of observation or experiment.
All the way through the articles in this section, as well as those in subsequent se
General Relativity.
 

darkbeaver

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I'd just like to clarify my position because as is well known I don't know anything. So having accepted my disability I provided much quality linkage to people who certainly do know something. The religious fanatical relativists prefer to step on the old and infirm who may forget their lowly position on the brain chain. Rather than address the heavy weight monster scientists by whom they would be consumed whole in an instant.

The most obvious thing about General Relativity is that it generally don't work.
 

L Gilbert

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Lester the link you provided here General Relativity. supports the electric side of the argument, Crothers is a believer in the electric universe.
webpage by

Stephen J. Crothers
I posted that in reference to the comment that Schwarzchild figured out that gen'l relativity doesn't work. It does work and Schwarzchild wasn't the first to suggest it didn't.
Gen'l relativity doesn't apply to generally everything. Einstein himself said that from day 1 and yet many people ignored him. Gen'l relativity works for what Einstein said it would.
 

darkbeaver

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I posted that in reference to the comment that Schwarzchild figured out that gen'l relativity doesn't work. It does work and Schwarzchild wasn't the first to suggest it didn't.
Gen'l relativity doesn't apply to generally everything. Einstein himself said that from day 1 and yet many people ignored him. Gen'l relativity works for what Einstein said it would.

You just keep with your team then, at least you'll be seen as a loyal sort, you know the band kept playing while the Titanic sank as well.
 

socratus

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Does DNA know geometry ?
Did DNA create child from zygote by the chance ?
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The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys
at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time
will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works
of William Shakespeare.
The probability of a monkey exactly typing a complete work such
as Shakespeare's Hamlet is so tiny that the chance of it occurring
during a period of time of the order of the age of the universe
is extremely low, but not zero.
. . . . .
If there are as many monkeys as there are particles in the
observable universe . . . . the probability of the monkeys replicating
even a short book is nearly zero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

It means that according to Probability theory it is impossible
to create by chance Intellect Existence during 14 billions years
after ‘big bang’.

Another example.

Proteins With Only Left-Handed Components
http://creationsafaris.com/epoi_c04.htm

The probability that an average-size protein molecule of the smallest
theoretically possible living thing would happen to contain only
left-handed amino acids is, therefore, 1 in 10123, on the average.
That is a rather discouraging chance.
To get the feel of that number, let’s look at it with all the 123 zeros:
There is, on the average, 1 chance in –
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
that all of the amino acids of a particular protein molecule
would be left-handed!

Conclusion: No Conceivable Probability

We find that there is no lessening of confusion until one accepts
the logic that “intelligent” systems could not arise without
an intelligent Designer.
http://creationsafaris.com/epoi_c04.htm
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According to the probability theory to create the origin of life
from ' the soup ' of proteins by the chance is 1 from 10^(-255).
This quantity is so small that it seems this way of creation
is impossible : not by chance the existence began.
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Question.
Does DNA have consciousness to create an intellectual child from zygote?
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darkbeaver

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Does DNA know geometry ?
Did DNA create child from zygote by the chance ?
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Question.
Does DNA have consciousness to create an intellectual child from zygote?
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The ancients believed that consciousness did not require a material body. Oddly enough the mind is postulated to exist outside of the material human body but inside that bodies electromagnetic field, which binds it to that body until the field degenerates below the bond requirements. I'm very frightened to mention Morphogenic Field Research because of the local science inquisition.


Let There Be Light - On Genesis

To begin with, a most pernicious error in common assumption about Genesis is located in the general belief that the Bible narrative is a description of the formation of our earth, its sky, land and water divisions, and the generation of the human race. Genesis is not at all the creation of the world and man! In one sense, to be made clear as the interpretation proceeds, it can be held to cover the beginnings of the world and the race of men; but it must be iterated, it is not primarily, and certainly not exclusively, a recital of those grandiose events. What, then, is it?

Briefly, it is a suggestive delineation of creative process in general. It is a graph or dramatic hieroglyph of life and growth as it ever takes place. It is a sketch of evolution procedure, of life-building and not at all confined to the mere beginnings of any one cycle. It circumscribes in it the whole of any cyclical process. It is an outline that would with equal aptness describe the formation of a universe and an egg; a galaxy and a babe; a solar system and an amoeba; the earth and an atom! For in nature’s realm it is a case of - Ab uno disce omnia - from one thing learn all. The occult wisdom of old was cognizant of a mighty truth, - that Life has but one law, which it follows, with variation of detail but with absolute invariableness of principle, in every one of its processes from the lifespan of the gnat to the eternity of universes. The Genesis story, therefore, was an epitome of all life process, from the Alpha to Omega of any cycle, vast or minute. It is a sketch of creative methodology. It is a typograph, a model picture, applicable as a norm to Nature’s creative work in any of her manifestations. And this must come as the initial or basic clarification of intelligence to free the mind from the hold of purely geocentric and anthropocentric notions implanted by purblind theology. As universally typal, it of course covers this earth formation in principle, but only in principle; not in local description. It is as if one were to describe house in principle, without describing this one house.








It has not hitherto been pointed out how fittingly a certain narrative begins with this statement. It is the first thing that God (Life) must do in the work of creation, for by the inherent terms of the creative act the manifestation of any thing can be effected only as the result of the uniting of spirit, consciousness, with matter, or body. The Supreme Being must begin his every creative cycle by splitting his nature into its dual potentiality of subject-spirit and object-matter. He can not bring his hidden self to expression unless he first divides his primal homogeneity and unity, into which he retires during his periods of non-activity, into consciousness and matter. For in his one phase he must be consciousness, in order to know what and how he will create; and in his other aspect he must be matter or substance, to have material to create with. The principle of "bifurcation" of Deity entered largely into ancient religious symbology, because the philosophers knew the formula, - as above so below - the generation process in minute bioforms faithfully depict the larger cosmic procedure. The fission or self-splitting of the nuclei of tiny cells into two halves to reproduce life portrays the grander operations in the heavens and proclaims the universality of the law.