Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

CDNBear

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I find it puzzling that anyone would disagree with the paragraphs where I wrote about 'if I lost my job...'.
I disagreed with the implication because it was erroneous, as my reply clearly indicated.

I thought they were both reasonable and accurate.
You thought wrong. Which is why I took the time to point out the error.
 

JamesBondo

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read in the context of the conversation, I did not think anyone here would have a problem with the idea of over turning a low down treaty that was bought off in whiskey, so I consider it as a good example to pose the idea that a treaty can be over turned.
 

CDNBear

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read in the context of the conversation, I did not think anyone here would have a problem with the idea of over turning a low down treaty that was bought off in whiskey...
Except the fact that you missed my post that clearly answers that.

You thought wrong again btw.

... so I consider it as a good example to pose the idea that a treaty can be over turned.
Seeing as it has never happened, it wasn't.

You're batting zero.
 

gerryh

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Where we really lose is, when you get uppity militants that claim to speak for all FN's, who block major thoroughfares and rail lines.

As far as I'm concerned and from what I can see and hear, it's completely counterproductive.

Sometimes sitting peacefully in a tent, protesting treatment and asking for answers isn't enough.

For you to believe anything Robson says you would have to ignore key fundamental human rights, and ignore the exact wording of several treaties.

Only if you ride rough shod over the contracts.

Which is EXACTLY what many want done. Not just ignore parts, but tear up and throw away the whole damn thing as if it never happened.
 

JamesBondo

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I disagreed with the implication because it was erroneous, as my reply clearly indicated.

You thought wrong. Which is why I took the time to point out the error.

Do you mind being specific about my errors?
Was I wrong about EI for less than a year?
Was I wrong about social assistance not being much?
Was I wrong about that I would like survive with charity and foodbanks?
Was I wrong about everything I own slowly deteriorating until I had nothing?

Was I wrong to ask an open ended question about whether it is similar for someone on a reservation? You could have answered that anyway you wanted. no?
 

petros

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I thought it was just unsophisticated negro's that dig'd fried chicken.

The sophisticated ones dig chicken cordon bleu.

Until that day I had no idea but apparently the local KFC franchisee and my friend did.

It was an educational day. I had no idea how many went to the park just to get their $5 based on the principle of it.

The $5 insult and having it adjusted for inflation is one of the points I've heard talked about which IMHO is a point that does needs to be addressed.
 

CDNBear

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Sometimes sitting peacefully in a tent, protesting treatment and asking for answers isn't enough.
I agree.

But I can not bring myself to endorse lawless behaviour.

It is one of my core beliefs to not interfere with the lives of other people. Being financially or otherwise.

Which is EXACTLY what many want done. Not just ignore parts, but tear up and throw away the whole damn thing as if it never happened.
I know.

I blame ignorance, stupidity and bigotry.

How about you?
 

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There are lots of myths around. My favourite is a guy on the Rez cutting a hole through the exterior bathroom wall to water horses from the bath tub.

That one may be myth but I have seen rez houses where the siding has been pulled off and fed to the wood stove. Also flooring in one house but that one was kind of a party shack.
 

CDNBear

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Do you mind being specific about my errors?
Was I wrong about EI for less than a year?
Was I wrong about social assistance not being much?
Was I wrong about that I would like survive with charity and foodbanks?
Was I wrong about everything I own slowly deteriorating until I had nothing?
Go back and read my reply.

Failing to do so and carrying the string of the conversation along in order, would indicate you aren't looking for reasoned discussion.

Was I wrong to ask an open ended question about whether it is similar for someone on a reservation? You could have answered that anyway you wanted. no?
Again, go back and read my reply.
 

SLM

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Do you mind being specific about my errors?
Was I wrong about EI for less than a year?
Was I wrong about social assistance not being much?
Was I wrong about that I would like survive with charity and foodbanks?
Was I wrong about everything I own slowly deteriorating until I had nothing?

Was I wrong to ask an open ended question about whether it is similar for someone on a reservation? You could have answered that anyway you wanted. no?

Where you're incorrect is in equating 'welfare' with contractual payments.
 

petros

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Where you're incorrect is in equating 'welfare' with contractual payments.
Which can lead to problems when the Province pays more to those living off Rez than the Rez pays to people on Rez from Fed funding.

It makes for an exodus from the Rez which drops overall funding for the Rez which is based on Rez population.


Another stereotype...

Do you go dabbin'?
 

JamesBondo

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Where you're incorrect is in equating 'welfare' with contractual payments.

true, I thought that was a bit weird when cdnbear used the phrase 'look after your welfare...' it certainly isn't my definition of welfare. welfare is something that I want to avoid, they don't pay as much as I can get by willingly working.
 

gerryh

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true, I thought that was a bit weird when cdnbear used the phrase 'look after your welfare...' it certainly isn't my definition of welfare. welfare is something that I want to avoid, they don't pay as much as I can get by willingly working.


 

CDNBear

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true, I thought that was a bit weird when cdnbear used the phrase 'look after your welfare...' it certainly isn't my definition of welfare.
Are you trying to tell me you are unaware of the definitions of 'welfare' or the legal use of the word in treaty law, but feel compelled to put forward erroneous, if not silly, comparisons, and failed to understand the definition in which I used it?

My, how interesting.

welfare is something that I want to avoid, they don't pay as much as I can get by willingly working.
Maybe expanding your vocabulary as well as you knowledge of what treaties are or are not, would help as well.

wel·fare

/ˈwelˌfe(ə)r/
Noun

  • The health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.
  • Statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need.




The actual definition as used in treaty law is the first definition.

Go figure, lol.
 
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Thankfully I know it's only a few uneducated 'white man canadians' that still hang on to them, and am therefore unwilling to paint all 'white man canadians with the same brush.

Hair on ya bud for maintaining an open mind... I don't know about you, but all those white man canadian bastards look the same to me... Can't tell the f*ckers apart, I say
 

SLM

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true, I thought that was a bit weird when cdnbear used the phrase 'look after your welfare...' it certainly isn't my definition of welfare. welfare is something that I want to avoid, they don't pay as much as I can get by willingly working.


Oh c'mon now!

Did you give the company the bulk of a land base and all its resources to exploit, with a contract providing for your welfare for time immemorial?

It is in no way unclear that the word was used in its first definition and not its second definition.
wel·fare
/ˈwelˌfe(ə)r/
Noun

  • The health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.
  • Statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need.
To "confuse" the two in the context of his statement is not even making a semantic argument! Yet you were clearly using it as the second definition of the word.