God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?

[Cliffy]

Children will run out into the road soon enough, but not to teach your children the Green Cross Code is the hight of irresponsible parenting.
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What do you call responsible parenting?
You can teach them that there are repercussions to their actions. You can teach them responsibility but teaching them they will be punished for their actions is irresponsible. There is a simple law of physics that applies: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It has nothing to do with reward and punishment. It is much more honest.

I can't believe we made it - YouTube

 

[1an]

Yeah we do need rules, but we don't need a deity to give them to us.

I don't disagree, but in a relationship there are different levels and I don't want to stay on the bottom level all my life.

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What do you call responsible parenting?
You can teach them that there are repercussions to their actions. You can teach them responsibility but teaching them they will be punished for their actions is irresponsible. There is a simple law of physics that applies: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It has nothing to do with reward and punishment. It is much more honest.

Providing when you get knocked down you don't blame God, which is something atheists love to do, and then you talk about being honest.

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[Cliffy]

I don't disagree, but in a relationship there are different levels and I don't want to stay on the bottom level all my life.

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Providing when you get knocked down you don't blame God, which is something atheists love to do, and then you talk about being honest.


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I'm not an atheist and I take full responsibility for my actions. When I was hit by a logging truck, I didn't even blame the driver.


I've never heard of an atheist blaming god for anything.

 

[1an]

I'm not an atheist and I take full responsibility for my actions. When I was hit by a logging truck, I didn't even blame the driver.

That's what I call a good Christian attitude.

I hear atheists blaming God all the time for all the troubles in the world, this is what I find so hypocritical.

 

[L Gilbert]

Providing when you get knocked down you don't blame God, which is something atheists love to do, and then you talk about being honest.

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I'm an atheist and I don't blame some non-existent entity. What I get a kick outta is those who do believe in such critters when they say "god is good" and attribute everything they like to being a gift from some god or other, and then say "god works in mysterious ways" when something bad happens that can not be attributed to humans. Scuse me, but were I to believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-seeing god that created the universe and everything in it, I would consider ANYTHING that happened attributable to it, including "evil".
So at best, the descriptions of said god from humans shows said god to be immature, unintelligent, sadistic, and decidedly indifferent to human plights.
Besides, it makes more sense to me that the universe is simply indifferent and I can't attribute human traits to it.

 

[1an]

I'm an atheist and I don't blame some non-existent entity. What I get a kick outta is those who do believe in such critters when they say "god is good" and attribute everything they like to being a gift from some god or other, and then say "god works in mysterious ways" when something bad happens that can not be attributed to humans. Scuse me, but were I to believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-seeing god that created the universe and everything in it, I would consider ANYTHING that happened attributable to it, including "evil".
So at best, the descriptions of said god from humans shows said god to be immature, unintelligent, sadistic, and decidedly indifferent to human plights.
Besides, it makes more sense to me that the universe is simply indifferent and I can't attribute human traits to it.

This last few weeks LG I have seen people do things that convince me that Satan is alive and well and living in peoples hearts and minds. I have spent a lot of time thinking about this and I think myself that people have chosen harm and destruction as the way forward for themselves.

 

[L Gilbert]

This last few weeks LG I have seen people do things that convince me that Satan is alive and well and living in peoples hearts and minds. I have spent a lot of time thinking about this and I think myself that people have chosen harm and destruction as the way forward for themselves.

I've seen a lot of nasty work done by human hands, too.

 

[MHz]

You miss the point DL. Carnal knowledge (by way of example) comes about by doing it.

Adam and Eve were told not to "do it".

By "do it" I mean anything that is wrong.

In other words we are not to be disobedient to God's law.

Knowledge of sin by taking part in it and eating of its fruit is not good.

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How many go out and intentionally sin? God does close up any loopholes that would allpo

Ro:6:1:
What shall we say then?
Shall we continue in sin,
that grace may abound?
Ro:6:2:
God forbid.
How shall we,
that are dead to sin,
live any longer therein?

Ro:11:5:
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Ro:11:6:
And if by grace,
then is it no more of works:
otherwise grace is no more grace.
But if it be of works,
then is it no more grace:
otherwise work is no more work.

Good thing because the grace period that we are in defined sin as thought rather than deed.

M't:5:28:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?

 

[1an]

I've seen a lot of nasty work done by human hands, too.

I don't know how to explain this, but if say you were walking along a beautiful beach and you saw an oil spill and you cleaned it up, you would need to be superman, but never mind, and then people walking along that same beach would see it just as beautiful as it ever was and wouldn't know the good work that had been done.

What I am trying to say is that the good in life often goes by unnoticed but the bad is plain to see.

 

[MHz]

Yeah we do need rules, but we don't need a deity to give them to us.

We actually need Him to enforce them rather that write and then wait, ... and wait, and wait. The only benefit I can see is along the same lines of all the civil wars fought by the 12 Tribes in the OT, we see it as being not good even when not part of it but it does mean there will be more that are initially resurrected than if a small group had no wars and was still prevented from becoming a great nation back in that era. That become more important when yo consider that they do not increase in number once that event takes place, that also applies to any Gentiles alive for the 1,000 year reign.

 

[L Gilbert]

I don't know how to explain this, but if say you were walking along a beautiful beach and you saw an oil spill and you cleaned it up, you would need to be superman, but never mind, and then people walking along that same beach would see it just as beautiful as it ever was and wouldn't know the good work that had been done.

What I am trying to say is that the good in life often goes by unnoticed but the bad is plain to see.

If I were an all-powerful god, I'd have arranged the universe so that people wouldn't cause oil spills in the first place. And being all-seeing, I would have been able to see what would happen to my creation before creating it.

 

[1an]

We actually need Him to enforce them rather that write and then wait, ... and wait, and wait. The only benefit I can see is along the same lines of all the civil wars fought by the 12 Tribes in the OT, we see it as being not good even when not part of it but it does mean there will be more that are initially resurrected than if a small group had no wars and was still prevented from becoming a great nation back in that era. That become more important when yo consider that they do not increase in number once that event takes place, that also applies to any Gentiles alive for the 1,000 year reign.

That is what It needs but I believe God gave us freewill. However in the last days God will take charge, but in the meantime Satan rules imo and I see it in peoples attitudes.

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[L Gilbert]

lol Free will. Science has shown that there is no such thing as free will. We are slave and subject to our DNA and the electrochemistry that runs our brain activity.

 

[Spade]

Polytheism sure comes through loudly and clearly when listening to the Christian right. Thor does!

 

[1an]

If I were an all-powerful god, I'd have arranged the universe so that people wouldn't cause oil spills in the first place. And being all-seeing, I would have been able to see what would happen to my creation before creating it.

We have been given that responsibility though:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." (Genesis 1:28 )

lol Free will. Science has shown that there is no such thing as free will. We are slave and subject to our DNA and the electrochemistry that runs our brain activity.

What will the judge say to the murderer if he pleads that?

 

[Spade]

PS to 1an

Is Gawd male or female?

 

[L Gilbert]

We have been given that responsibility though:

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." (Genesis 1:28 )

lol Quoting a book that humans wrote is evidence of what?

 

[1an]

PS to 1an

Is Gawd male or female?

Is DNA male or female?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I hear atheists blaming God all the time for all the troubles in the world, this is what I find so hypocritical.

No atheist who understands what the word means would do that. You're hearing atheists blaming belief in god for the troubles, not god himself, and that's a legitimate argument. I presume you can see the distinction.

 

[EagleSmack]

I want children to be bright enough to know that fire burns without being stupid and putting their hand in it.

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BADABING!

Slam dunk.