Nope, no comprehension problems at all. Not from either Goober or I. We both know your limited view on this and have discussed it already.
God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?
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Nope, no comprehension problems at all. Not from either Goober or I. We both know your limited view on this and have discussed it already.
None of those things is promoted in the Bible, that came along withn the RCC and the fall of Rome. The NT is pretty clear about what the duties of followers are.
Jas:2:8:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
Jas:2:9:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas:2:15:
If a brother or sister be naked,
and destitute of daily food,
Jas:2:16:
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas:2:17:
Even so faith,
if it hath not works,
is dead,
being alone
I can't think of any current nation that wouldn't welcome a citizen who lived by these rules. Somewhat iron that it is called the royal law when the royal all across Europe were the ones did not follow any of it, supported by what passed for a Church back then.
Seriously, who gives a **** what you do or don't do?
I keep forgetting that men knew the area that dry land covered on the earth back in 100AD.
Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.
Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
The Bible actually tells me not to tag up with known sinners.
1Co:5:1:
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,
and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles,
that one should have his father's wife.
1Co:5:9:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co:5:10:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co:5:11:
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
Jas:2:10:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Good for them for showing your *** the door, there maybe hope for this place yet. lol
Is this the Bible you study from now?
Would you prefer a quote from Mary of Bethany, the beloved disciple?
I wouldn't say any nation in the OT was very moral compared to what today's standards are. Did you know we have a money value place on us? People used to go into bondage to pay off loans back then also did they not and there were some rules that limited that sort of stuff, I could post it if you like. s for all the laws (other than the 10 commandments) it would seem that they were in place so Jesus could be judged by those (very strict) standards because right after the cross (within 3 1/2 years) the dietary laws were changed in Act 10 and the stoning was halted even before the cross in one instance. There was Miriam that was withe her brother Moses and Aaron, while not a major role she was still involved and in the NT the woman who was the beloved disciple wrote almost more than the chief Apostle, Peter and she certainly out lived him and was shown more in that she wrote Revelation and it is her alone that will be with Jesus to watch New Jerusalem descend to the new earth and the differences won't be around after that.
Not on me. I am a Canadian.
As to the myth of Jesus, heis exactly what Rome wanted him to be back then when they had the scriptureswritten up for them.
I will add these clips to themix for your consideration. They show who put what in Jesus' mouth and howChristianity has been manipulated. The first which is part of the second speaksto my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overalland the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The thirdclip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as itshows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with thereality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocraticking who through the religion that he would have created, also realized thatthere had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that.
The Jesus Myth - Timothy Freke - YouTube
Caesar's Messiah-New edition paperback - YouTube
The Bible's Buried Secrets - The Real Garden of Eden (Part I) - YouTube
I see the King/God as havingto have the morals shown in the Haigt clip.
http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/
He would have to create hisreligion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by thefirst commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of hisKing/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman systemwould later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavian and later throughConstantine.
http://www.simchajtv.com/movie-secrets-of-christianity-selling-christianity/
Regards
DL
As to the myth of Jesus, heis exactly what Rome wanted him to be back then when they had the scriptureswritten up for them.
I will add these clips to themix for your consideration. They show who put what in Jesus' mouth and howChristianity has been manipulated. The first which is part of the second speaksto my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overalland the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The thirdclip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as itshows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with thereality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocraticking who through the religion that he would have created, also realized thatthere had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that.
The Jesus Myth - Timothy Freke - YouTube
Caesar's Messiah-New edition paperback - YouTube
The Bible's Buried Secrets - The Real Garden of Eden (Part I) - YouTube
I see the King/God as havingto have the morals shown in the Haigt clip.
http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/
He would have to create hisreligion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by thefirst commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of hisKing/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman systemwould later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavian and later throughConstantine.
http://www.simchajtv.com/movie-secrets-of-christianity-selling-christianity/
Regards
DL
I'm not even entirely sure the verses below aren't about money a person should have on then and have no debts as the last verse seems to say if they are below that level the Priest or it is a slave market rather than collateral for the bank. Get a loan and have to take a job the same day, that would really mess up today's society. How about that value be placed on their life, should somebody kill them then that is how much the relatives will get before the killer himself is killed.
Le:27:3:
And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old,
even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver,
after the shekel of the sanctuary.
Le:27:4:
And if it be a female,
then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
Le:27:5:
And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old,
then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels,
and for the female ten shekels.
Le:27:6:
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old,
then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver,
and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
Le:27:7:
And if it be from sixty years old and above;
if it be a male,
then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels,
and for the female ten shekels.
Le:27:8:
But if he be poorer than thy estimation,
then he shall present himself before the priest,
and the priest shall value him;
according to his ability that vowed shall the priest value him.
The other verse referenced can be equaled today to a man striking a child, the man gets punished (or should by law). A woman striking a man back then would be like walking up to a cop and tagging him on the chin, you are going to be in deep ****, the woman used her hands, chopping them off means she will never do raise her hands against a man again.
If God was pricing out people with a certain price range how would each of the people value, for instance a man would value his wife as being the most valued possession, next his children, then his friends of similar age and so on. With a child other children would be more valued that the parents friends who might be last as grand-parents would be more valued and for a new-born the mother is the most valued person. Then make everybody wear a t-shirt with the list in plain view. How would your list go, the ones I left out would seem to be in a tie and that being the very old and the very young.
This has to do with having lots of free time rather than starting a trend that will last a few months and make the 'owners' some fast money, I'm waiting fr Pet Rock Phase II, training in how to abuse people and not care. (not really)
BTW Even in Canada we have birth certificates and the same laws he was talking about cover the planet not just America. Admiralty Law is a pretty dry subject but Jordan can lay it all out in just a few hours, by the end you will want to be your own boat or dock lol
Le:27:3:
And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old,
even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver,
after the shekel of the sanctuary.
Le:27:4:
And if it be a female,
then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
Le:27:5:
And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old,
then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels,
and for the female ten shekels.
Le:27:6:
And if it be from a month old even unto five years old,
then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver,
and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
Le:27:7:
And if it be from sixty years old and above;
if it be a male,
then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels,
and for the female ten shekels.
Le:27:8:
But if he be poorer than thy estimation,
then he shall present himself before the priest,
and the priest shall value him;
according to his ability that vowed shall the priest value him.
The other verse referenced can be equaled today to a man striking a child, the man gets punished (or should by law). A woman striking a man back then would be like walking up to a cop and tagging him on the chin, you are going to be in deep ****, the woman used her hands, chopping them off means she will never do raise her hands against a man again.
If God was pricing out people with a certain price range how would each of the people value, for instance a man would value his wife as being the most valued possession, next his children, then his friends of similar age and so on. With a child other children would be more valued that the parents friends who might be last as grand-parents would be more valued and for a new-born the mother is the most valued person. Then make everybody wear a t-shirt with the list in plain view. How would your list go, the ones I left out would seem to be in a tie and that being the very old and the very young.
This has to do with having lots of free time rather than starting a trend that will last a few months and make the 'owners' some fast money, I'm waiting fr Pet Rock Phase II, training in how to abuse people and not care. (not really)
BTW Even in Canada we have birth certificates and the same laws he was talking about cover the planet not just America. Admiralty Law is a pretty dry subject but Jordan can lay it all out in just a few hours, by the end you will want to be your own boat or dock lol
You can't be serious. You know as well as I do that there are verses requiring women to keep silent and be subservient to their husbands and saying that they cannot be in any position of authority over a man, there are fairly detailed discussions about how to treat slaves, there's the admonition to kill witches, recommendations to enter the cities of people who worship other gods and slaughter everybody and burn down their places of worship, it's all there and more.
The quiet thing was when in Church was it not? Nothing says a wife has to be quiet at home, let alone for the other 6 days of the week.
Define witch, the OT dictionary I looked at said sorcerer and they probably had better ones in the OT than what the demons were in the few places in the 4 Gospels they are mentioned. If somebody killed by giving them poison would that qualify them as a witch?
How long ago did the hang a horse-thief go off the books, if it ever did. Deny a person a drink of water in Texas and it's off to jail. I'll give you that the OT had death as the solution for a lot of things that we allow but they also viewed death as being a temporary holding area, more than one place calls it a prison, an escape-proof prison, doesn't that aspect soften the brutality part? (in that everyone sent there also comes back from there as a big group)
Didn't a person born into the tribes become a 'slave' if he owed money, certainly the ones captured would be slaves but they also had owners that kept them healthy and at some point they were released as free men. (7 years was the limit for debts I think)
Le:25:39:
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor,
and be sold unto thee;
thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
Define witch, the OT dictionary I looked at said sorcerer and they probably had better ones in the OT than what the demons were in the few places in the 4 Gospels they are mentioned. If somebody killed by giving them poison would that qualify them as a witch?
How long ago did the hang a horse-thief go off the books, if it ever did. Deny a person a drink of water in Texas and it's off to jail. I'll give you that the OT had death as the solution for a lot of things that we allow but they also viewed death as being a temporary holding area, more than one place calls it a prison, an escape-proof prison, doesn't that aspect soften the brutality part? (in that everyone sent there also comes back from there as a big group)
Didn't a person born into the tribes become a 'slave' if he owed money, certainly the ones captured would be slaves but they also had owners that kept them healthy and at some point they were released as free men. (7 years was the limit for debts I think)
Le:25:39:
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor,
and be sold unto thee;
thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
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Yes it was, but that's irrelevant to the point, like the rest of your post. The point was that the Bible specifies circumstances under which women are not permitted to speak and things they are not permitted to do simply because they're women. That's oppression. The larger point was that the Bible does indeed specifically and explicitly encourage the things I said it did and you claimed it doesn't, in support of the main point of this thread, which is that the Bible is not the source of our ethical and legal systems. When anyone last hanged a horse thief or refused a Texan a drink of water has nothing to do with it.
Actually, the title is "God's law versus secular. Which is moral?". What needs to be determined is what exactly are God's laws.
Not my fault I have big lungs, if I have to spend one breath of my life on you it might as well be a full one. Besides, you might find a topic to reference when invaded for Christmas, if that is still the correct term.
Personally starting out with something about that the earth as a model and there being a son would mean that God and the Holy Ghost each have parents is 100% sure to break ant silence yet invented, even if the whole conversation is a low cough and a chuckle, probably a nervous woman, so much for silence eh? btw, even the Apostle knew when to button their lips and that would never have changed, when God is speaking everybody tunes in, like we had a choice. God's parents would be an older version of the 2/3 angels of this universe leave it for us to eventually inhabit while they ascend to the 3rd heaven, the place God and the Holy Spirit and Christ are from and they are the same as perfected angels and that means they can have a child and rest assured from the beginning that it could never fall into sin, that sin is 'back-talking mom' and if you don't think that is a universal law try it and in any language the answer will be the very same, severely punched out and most likely totally beheaded to boot (don't bring that part up at all)
The scripture is not one the be quiet about a woman who has remarried even after a divorce approved by the church, she has no husband in the 1,000 year reign because they are not given in marriage, same as faithful Angels, their reward when admitted to their new heaven.
The birth date issue I had at one time with a JW was solved in that they admitted they thought a Sept was more likely but they also believed (correctly) birth begins at conception so counting back via months you get to a place that is the conception meaning x-mas was a valid celebration (if any at all are going to be allowed in the Church , and none are, that would be right at the top) so the ones doing the things just did it for the wrong reason and that being related to circumcision back in the day the book was written. As you can see nothing new since the last time we talked.
Did you actually type all that in one breath? I just hope it wasn't your last because you would have wasted it.
Mushroom Jesus Jesus Was A Mushroom John Allegro www keepvid com - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=mOu9tV6uy2E
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Before or after editing?
Using that worth scale from the OT verses that would make you in the 5-20 spot, worth 20/50 for being childish with that comment, back to your corner, read a passage and miss the first boat away. BTW not everybody can be an infant girl all the time, 3/50, some more than others for sure so that aspect needs clarity and it would have to be allowed just because that is the way they act most of the time.in reality.
Secrets of the Templars - Amonita Muscaria and the Cross
Secrets of the Templars - Amonita Muscaria and the Cross - YouTube
Secrets of the Templars - Amonita Muscaria and the Cross - YouTube
That has to be really old, even for you, so 15/50, buy a shirt and you can be upped 10 points, 25 is vacant at the moment, better hurry though. (in the spirit of the money-changers and the season fast approaching, x-mas)