I agree that God's laws are manmade laws.
And I can differentiate thank you.
Regards
DL
God’s law versus secular law. Which is moral?
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I agree that God's laws are manmade laws.
And I can differentiate thank you.
Regards
DL
Obviously you can't. If you could, this whole thread would be moot. Or is this thread, in reality, nothing but a troll thread? Is that really what this all is? You, a troll, posting bullshyte troll threads?
Most of what's recorded in the Bible that still exists in our legal and moral codes long predates both Christianity and Judaism. If the ancient Israelites in Sinai really had to be told "Thou shalt not kill" and didn't know before Moses brought the rules down from the mountain that killing your neighbours is a bad thing to do they'd never have got that far. There are also a whole lot of rules given--613 according to rabbinical tradition (never counted them myself), mostly in Leviticus and Deuteronomy--that nobody pays any attention to any more. And a good thing too, or we'd be stoning to death adulterous women (but not men), stubborn and rebellious sons, people who plant two crops in the same field or wear clothes made of multiple kinds of fabric or work on the Sabbath, and executing Wiccans. To the extent that our legal and ethical codes are biblically based, they've been seriously cherry-picked. There could be no clearer indication that the Bible is not really the source of them, we pick what suits us based on other criteria.
Religious justifications for ethical and legal codes are just post hoc rationalizations of pre-existing conditions. And you know that when somebody cherry-picks a biblical citation in support of some otherwise indefensible position--like the "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" stricture as justification for keeping the Harry Potter novels out of the separate school system's libraries, and yes I've heard that one offered seriously--you know they have no real case.
I could probably make the case that Mary was chosen by God because she was a daughter of Aaron and engaged to a man from the House of David at the time but God sent 'His wife' the Holy Spirit to Mary and then sent an angel to Joseph on the same night.
Hi, yes it has been awhile. I can almost assure you that the more time you spend here the more you will see that the Bible has already been tossed in the garbage many moons ago, let me know if you see it that way also?said:
Abe's son Joseph didn't have such a great time either and to be fair the very first one Jesus will be resurrecting will be Mary of Bethany aka the Beloved Disciple, even before Peter the chief Apostle.
Later.
DL isn't a troll by any means, you should be familiar with their methods as you have been here for some time.
Since Moses booked it out of Egypt after committing murder I would sat the rules were already in place. When the sons of God, like the serpent Satan were case to earth God sent the law that governed them with them. Those laws are the ones in Re:21 that will be given to men when they become immortal and can see the face of God (basically the 2nd birth) then the 10 Commandments get parked for good as mankind will be fully sinless (the ones alive for the 1,000 years are the first to see that change). The reason the 10 Commandments came when they did is because there were still come Giants (children of the fallen angels and being different from man as they had 24 fingers and toes) were still 'the ones the law came from'. Them being made extinct would have left the world without law so the 10 Commandments became the standard that God used. The other laws were put in place so there was a standard for Jesus to be judged by and yes it is a good thing they were also parked. Too bad the Jews didn't pick up on the changes God made to the dietary laws in Acts 10 just before the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles. Adapting to that change would have made the scattering into the Nations (De:4:30) less of a hardship. How many of the 'forced conversions' were based on that aspect alone because they still haven't caught on to that change but they gladly accept the removal of any punishment that God put in place. I guess 'blind' is the right term.
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Why would you say men weren't also killed? (I admit the NT example had the man get away and only the woman was in danger of being stoned to death)
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Romans 13 also put Christians under the laws of the rulers of whatever nation they were in which made them 'ideal citizens' rather than the rebels like the Jews in Matthew 23.
I don't think a witch back then was about a pointy hat and a broom that was also an mode of transportation. Think more in terms of sacrificing babies on an altar.
1) (Piel) to practice witchcraft or sorcery, use witchcraft
a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)
Oh for Gods sake, the rantings must go on. Morality is a code but not only does it vary
from society to society or religion to religion it is also a personal moral code. What one
believes is sinful another doesn't feel that way at all. This is where the law comes in.
For example, if someone lives common law with another and they don't have a problem
with it that is fine, others with a different code may claim its immoral
The same relationship where one of the parties is underage then its immoral and illegal
and the law handles that. It is called a modern society and it works quite well. One of
the precepts of the court is
do you agree to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you (guess who) God.
from society to society or religion to religion it is also a personal moral code. What one
believes is sinful another doesn't feel that way at all. This is where the law comes in.
For example, if someone lives common law with another and they don't have a problem
with it that is fine, others with a different code may claim its immoral
The same relationship where one of the parties is underage then its immoral and illegal
and the law handles that. It is called a modern society and it works quite well. One of
the precepts of the court is
do you agree to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you (guess who) God.
An argument to that, do you not notice that immigrants going back 200 years has people from the same nations preferring to settle in with the same people and that means the **** fro the old homeland stay alive no matter what the laws say about equality. Guess who God left the sword of justice to and the elite were not give a differnt law to live under, anybody going to right that wrong, not likely.
Ro:13:4:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
And all of that is entirely subjective to the person, group or society.
And another is the atheist' oath in court, or Wiccan, or Taoist ...
Thanks for showing that Jesus was not as prophesied and was not of the line of David but was of God's line.
Mary's lineage is not important as lineage was through the male line.
Your deadbeat dad/God was at it again. Jesus was what, the 6th man born of a virgin?
As to the bible and the garbage, I hope you are wrong. It is a book that helped me push my apotheosis and I would recommend it to all to read. Not the literal way some foolish Christians do though. Doing so only teaches poor morals as literalists end up calling evil good.
Like human sacrifice and the notion that it is somehow just to punish the innocent instead of the guilty and use Jesus as their scapegoat.
Regards
DL
Actually, that code is rather universal.
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Do you know of any group that does not look after their children as the first moral priority?
I do not know of any.
Regards
DL
You might like to learn how to read as MHz and I are in opposite camps.
Regards
DL
The truth is what it is, having Joseph as a step-dad only fulfilled a prophecy about what house He would belong to and that advent was a High Priest in action.
True but the line given in Luke was Mary's father and his fathers, all resulting in being a Priest that claimed even Adam and Eve as being part of His flock. Being associated with Joseph will halt all talk when He sits on a throne in Jerusalem because David himself will be there to verify that Joseph is one on his relatives.
Not from Mary. If you look at the age of her cousin Elizabeth when she conceived then Mary was about 30 when she became 'with child' compared to the child bride and old man theme that some try and promote.
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You'll see what I mean soon enough, gerry is one of the most respected (form of) christians on this site and it goes downhill (if that is even possible ) pretty fast from there.
I would think it would be the ones denying the literal reading as being the ones that pervert the terms mentioned.
Did we ever cover the rain on the high hills and mountains as being snow in the flood account?
Later
Holy **** ger do you only have one line given to you to post today?
You did the very same one in another thread just moments ago. Which verse is that from in your RCC Bible.
No shyte exlax....... and neither one of you has a brain cell between ya's.
If the shoe fits....wear it. In this case, the both of you deserve what I have posted.
So the Bible-Old and New Testament- Torah - have had next to no impact upon Western Society and the laws we have.
You should be wearing a frozen mukluk you know where. Your RCC training is just oozing out today isn't it. lol
How much have they changed from what they were in 60BC. I'm asking that because Romans 13 defines what evil is and do those acts appear in Roman law before about 40AD.
Ro:13:7:
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Ro:13:8:
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ro:13:9:
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The Pope would love you though showing what your true colors are. Just how many hours do you spend in confession in a week. If you are such a ****ed up member of the RCC why do you brag so much about even being one?
I don't "brag", I mention that I consider myself a Catholic. The only one that can tell me I'm not, is God. No man can tell me I am wrong in my thoughts. Not you, not dexter, not my local Priest, and not his Holiness the Pope. Only God.
The bible that you keep quoting, continually, was written by man. It is SAID that it was written under Gods guidance, but then, it was men that said that. I will take what I have been told and shown in personal revelation over your or any one elses interpretation of a book written by men.
You and gerryh seem to be having your usual comprehension issues with the things I write, that's not remotely what I claimed. The roots of our ethical and legal systems are not in the Bible, they predate it, but it provides a codification and canonization of ideas that we pick and choose from that's certainly had an influence, often a pretty baleful one, like the oppression of women, slavery, witch hunts, crusades, the Inquisition, executions for heresy...