Conservative please read this by David Frum

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Washington (CNN) -- The mood among American conservatives is now one of apocalyptic despair.
Having convinced themselves that this election arrayed freedom against tyranny, they now must wonder: Did their country just democratically vote in favor of tyranny?

On Fox News election night, BIll O'Reilly explained the meaning of the election: the "white establishment" was now outnumbered by minorities. "The demographic are changing. It's not a traditional America anymore." And these untraditional Americans "want stuff. They want things. And who is going to give them things? President Obama. He knows it, and he ran on it."

O'Reilly's analysis is echoed across the conservative blogosphere. The (non-white) takers now outnumber the (white) makers. They will use their majority to pillage the makers and redistribute to the takers. In the process, they will destroy the sources of the country's wealth and end the American experiment forever.
You'll hear O'Reilly's view echoed wherever conservatives express themselves.

Happily, the view is wrong, and in every respect.

America is not a society divided between "makers" and "takers." Instead, almost all of us proceed through a life cycle where we sometimes make and sometimes take as we pass from schooling to employment to retirement.

The line between "making" and "taking" is not a racial line. The biggest government program we have, Medicare, benefits a population that is 85% white.

President Barack Obama was not re-elected by people who want to "take." The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

The United States did not vote for socialism. It could not do so, because neither party offers socialism. Both parties champion a free enterprise economy cushioned by a certain amount of social insurance. The Democrats (mostly) want more social insurance, the Republicans want less. National politics is a contest to move the line of scrimmage, in a game where there's no such thing as a forward pass, only a straight charge ahead at the defensive line. To gain three yards is a big play.

Whatever you think of the Obama record, it's worth keeping in mind that by any measure, free enterprise has been winning the game for a long, long time to this point.

Compare the United States of 2012 to the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

In 1962, the government regulated the price and route of every airplane, every freight train, every truck and every merchant ship in the United States. The government regulated the price of natural gas. It regulated the interest on every checking account and the commission on every purchase or sale of stock. Owning a gold bar was a serious crime that could be prosecuted under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The top rate of income tax was 91%.

It was illegal to own a telephone. Phones had to be rented from the giant government-regulated monopoly that controlled all telecommunications in the United States. All young men were subject to the military draft and could escape only if they entered a government-approved graduate course of study. The great concern of students of American society -- of liberals such as David Riesman, of conservatives such as Russell Kirk, and of radicals such as Dwight Macdonald -- was the country's stultifying, crushing conformity.

Even if you look only at the experiences of white heterosexual men, the United States of 2012 is a freer country in almost every way than the United States of 1962.

Obama has changes in mind that conservatives and Republicans will oppose. He will want to raise taxes, he will want to sustain social spending at a permanently higher level, he has in mind new regulations over health care, energy production and banking. He'll win some, he'll lose some. To the extent that his wins prove injurious, future Republican Congresses and administrations will struggle to undo them. That's politics: a contest that never ends, and in which the only certainty is the certainty of constant change.

The Republican challenge next is to reassemble a new coalition for limited government and private enterprise. That coalition must include Americans of all ethnicities. To assume from the start that only certain ethnicities will contribute, and that others aspire only to grab, is not only ugly prejudice; it is also self-destructive delusion.

People of all backgrounds want to create, save and contribute to society. A party of the center-right should make them all feel at home, regardless of how they pronounce their last name, the complexion of their skin or the way in which they express love and build family.

The Roman Catholic Church deems despair a mortal sin. To abandon hope is to reject the reality of goodness and to forswear future action. The United States is a great and good country, and it remains great and good even when we do not get all our own way politically. The United States is a tolerant and free country, which means that there are no "tipping points" beyond which it becomes impossible to correct mistakes.

Fifty years ago, Marxism was still a live intellectual force in British universities. Marxists taught that human society must inevitably evolve into a socialist dictatorship of the proletariat. The great British conservative historian Hugh Trevor-Roper scoffed at this arrogance. He said, "When radicals scream that victory is indubitably theirs, sensible conservatives knock them on the nose. It is only very feeble conservatives who take such words as true and run round crying for the last sacraments."

We need more sensible conservatives.As for the feeble conservatives, they should take a couple of aspirin and then stay quietly indoors until the temper has subsided and they are ready to say and do something useful again.

Conservatives, don't despair - CNN.com
 

Tonington

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Frum is not a conservative.

Yeah right. A speech writer for George W. Bush, a senior foreign policy adviser to Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, who was a vocal proponent of the Iraq war, and a Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Yep, he's a regular granola crunching hippy :roll:
 

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Yeah right. A speech writer for George W. Bush, a senior foreign policy adviser to Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, who was a vocal proponent of the Iraq war, and a Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Yep, he's a regular granola crunching hippy :roll:


Speech writers aren't hired based on their politics, nor do they develop the policies of their client.
 

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Frum is a compassionate conservative. That brand of conservatism can attract few fiscal liberals and win elections.

The Tea party movement brand of conservatism pushed ideas that only benefit the 1% extremely wealthy Americans at the expense of the other 99%. The people pushing the Tea Party agenda thought they could could bamboozle enough people to vote against their own interests by outspending the democrats in negative advertising and pushing people's hot buttons on race (illegal immigration) and religion (Islamaphobia).

thankfully a majority of Americans choose a kinder more accepting America where getting sick doesn't mean going bankrupt and losing your home and post secondary education remains with reach of the middle class.
 

L Gilbert

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Speech writers aren't hired based on their politics, nor do they develop the policies of their client.
lol So that means he's not a conservative? lol What about the rest of what Ton said; specifically "a senior foreign policy adviser to Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, who was a vocal proponent of the Iraq war, and a Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
"?
Anyway, I think the key word in Kreskin's post is "sensible", not "conservative".
 

captain morgan

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lol So that means he's not a conservative? lol What about the rest of what Ton said; specifically "a senior foreign policy adviser to Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, who was a vocal proponent of the Iraq war, and a Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
"?
Anyway, I think the key word in Kreskin's post is "sensible", not "conservative".


Someone that's hired to tune the engine in my car isn't hired for their political views... In addition, Foreign Policy is primarily strategy-based.

Lastly, I wasn't responding to Kreskin's post
 

Tonington

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Someone that's hired to tune the engine in my car isn't hired for their political views.

A speech writer for a politician isn't a political job? I don't think you would get an argument from many people about the mechanic being a non-political role. But the two aren't remotely comparable...

Can you name a liberal speech writer employed by GW Bush, or a conservative speech writer employed by Obama? Or better yet a speech writer who has made a career of writing speeches for both parties? Maybe there's one or two like that, but like Frum, I can compile a long list of speech writers who served in roles before and after their employment as speech writers within the same spectrum as their employer...
Michael Gerson
Jon Favreau
Robert Lehrmen

Heck, just read up on the speech writers that were working for Paul Ryan:
Paul Ryan

In addition, Foreign Policy is primarily strategy-based.
Yes, and conservatives typically hire conservative strategists, and liberals likewise. I could agree that if the only thing on his CV was speech writing, that it wouldn't be very convincing.

But come on, you're smarter than that...writing political speeches is political, and typically politicians hire speech writers from within their ideology. To suggest otherwise is to ignore reality CM.

As for Walter's comments...well it's just sour grapes and some No True Scotsman fallacy. The conservative pundits can't seem to agree, but they all know they got their @sses handed to them by a beatable opponent. Some are looking at their ideology and the changing American demographics, and others are engaging in the same fantasy and wishful thinking that got them so surprised on election night.
 

L Gilbert

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I'm just being a little pissy right now - sorry.. Been a long day.

I'll come back later.

Cheers
Have a beer. :D It does a body good.

As for Walter's comments...well it's just sour grapes and some No True Scotsman fallacy. The conservative pundits can't seem to agree, but they all know they got their @sses handed to them by a beatable opponent. Some are looking at their ideology and the changing American demographics, and others are engaging in the same fantasy and wishful thinking that got them so surprised on election night.
Yep.
 

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David Frum is what one would call a main street Canadian Conservative, he is in fact the son
of Barbara Frum the famed news caster that passed away a number of years ago.
The difference between Frum and many other conservatives is, He thinks before he speaks
and he is willing to be critical of policy in order to fine tune and improve it.
There are those who blindly follow the stiff conservative line regardless of whether is makes
sense in the modern world. But then again we have the other side the wacky left that would
secretly like to see ration books handed out in order to limit the consumer progress of mankind.

The problem is today in order to be on one side or the other one has to buy into nonsense on all
sides. personally I don't care whether a good idea comes from the right or the left I care that it is
a good idea. In the election most people at least the ones that took time to vote decided the
President had a better idea. Remember good citizens vote, and they did just that, right and left.
The rest should now be quiet if they didn't vote. For those who did the majority voted for Obama
so now the citizens should take off the partisan hats roll up their sleeves and get to work.
Please don't tell me the real conservatives are people like Donald Trump, that would say they are
nuts, people like Frum are still reasonable and rational.
 

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A speech writer for a politician isn't a political job? I don't think you would get an argument from many people about the mechanic being a non-political role. But the two aren't remotely comparable...


I guess that when I sit back and recall the election speeches from many parties (in many nations), I really don't see a 'Liberal' or 'Conservative' speech. From my perspective, they are all based on formulas along the lines of (not necessarily in this order):

Introduction... blah blah blah.... Youth are our future... blah blah blah.... Kick start the economy.... munch munch.... Compassionate society... pause to light smoke..... Job creation..... scratches genitalia.... Greatest nation on Earth... shoos away fly.... Work towards the future... pinches thigh to elicit a teary-eyed look.... Will take lead role in global affairs.... stern resolve and firm-set jaw.... Belittle the main opponent... (insert gaffe or regrettable incident here)... Conclusion.... Draw deep breath to indicate it's time for applause.

So tell me... Is this the template for a Liberal or a Conservative election speech?
 

Walter

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There are many kinds of conservatives just as there are many kinds of liberals. He's just not your type of conservative.
What makes Frum a conservative? Just because he says so?