Why Are Single Women So Attracted to the Party of Victimhood?

Angstrom

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But that would mean the government would have to subsidize one product per category to make it competitive with unrestricted imports from Toddler Factories in China. How about call centres? Right now Indian workers probably man those for $5/day. They suck at it but what does the company care? Who will you complain to? Their compeditiors are also doing it. If you legislate that all back to Canada for one product, that means the amount of subsidy is even greater. How will you fund this subsidy? With an open market, business will not stand for more taxation. They will just move to someplace that will give them a tax break and export their goods to you cheap (against your subsidized product no doubt) meaning the govt has to pay out more. If you tax individuals, they would vote you out of office and also stop spending meaning your subsidized businesses will need even more of a subsidy.

Protectionism is the concept you are selling and if you are selling it, you need to sell all of it. The model does not work without inport tariffs. It has some benefits but I just don't see it working in the long term.


So then we need to de-value our currency
buy more printing press's and print money like
mad dog's until where on par with china and india's currency.

Oh wait!!! Obama is already doing this!!!
 
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damngrumpy

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Captain Morgan do you realize if you actually used a marks based system, that is if you
averaged a B or C+ or whatever the bench mark would be. Government could in fact
pay post secondary education tuition as long as the student maintained the grade
average. If they student did not they paid the next year themselves.
When the student finished there could be a program where they work for government
or a private enterprise mentor company for a period of time as say 70% of their wage.
The amount of repayment would be in accordance with the amount spent to educate
the graduate. That way society would receive some benefit and we would have young
people ready for the workforce without a mountain of debt
Oh and if you drop out your get a bill for all that was invested in you payable to the
government of Canada.
Now this is an idea probably needs some amendments to be sure but in some fashion
it can be done. We have to find new way to solve some serious problems and whining
about who is going to pay is as old as the nineteenth century.
 

Angstrom

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Captain Morgan do you realize if you actually used a marks based system, that is if you
averaged a B or C+ or whatever the bench mark would be. Government could in fact
pay post secondary education tuition as long as the student maintained the grade
average. If they student did not they paid the next year themselves.
When the student finished there could be a program where they work for government
or a private enterprise mentor company for a period of time as say 70% of their wage.
The amount of repayment would be in accordance with the amount spent to educate
the graduate. That way society would receive some benefit and we would have young
people ready for the workforce without a mountain of debt
Oh and if you drop out your get a bill for all that was invested in you payable to the
government of Canada.
Now this is an idea probably needs some amendments to be sure but in some fashion
it can be done. We have to find new way to solve some serious problems and whining
about who is going to pay is as old as the nineteenth century.

There you go.. Turn our schools into made in Canada Factory's
Bet the kids would learn way more actually producing something then what they learn ATM
 

captain morgan

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Captain Morgan do you realize if you actually used a marks based system, that is if you
averaged a B or C+ or whatever the bench mark would be. Government could in fact
pay post secondary education tuition as long as the student maintained the grade
average. If they student did not they paid the next year themselves.
When the student finished there could be a program where they work for government
or a private enterprise mentor company for a period of time as say 70% of their wage.
The amount of repayment would be in accordance with the amount spent to educate
the graduate. That way society would receive some benefit and we would have young
people ready for the workforce without a mountain of debt
Oh and if you drop out your get a bill for all that was invested in you payable to the
government of Canada.
Now this is an idea probably needs some amendments to be sure but in some fashion
it can be done. We have to find new way to solve some serious problems and whining
about who is going to pay is as old as the nineteenth century
.


While I see the merit in the program you suggest, I believe it's fair to say that the students would simply be trading 'who' they would owe the obligation to rather than really solve the issue of student indebtedness.

At the end of the day, where the money will be coming from is the biggest question on the radar... There is an excellent reason that this issue is 'as old as the nineteenth century'. Let me ask you a hypothetical question: If the BC gvt made the decision to increase provincial income taxes 15%-20% in order to fund 100% of post secondary, build more schools, more professors, etc - would you support that move? What would you speculate the reaction of the general public in BC to be?

Flipping the coin on this, what would the students think knowing that the tax bill they face in coming years would be greatly increased?

Sad to say, but our society revolves around money, or more accurately, the provision of something of value in exchange for something else of value. It doesn't matter if the 'something' is hard currency or sweat equity, that trade-off will exist in one form or another.
 

taxslave

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Have you held back from investing based on the fact that you might have to pay taxes on earnings? If you have, that's bizarre. I don't know a single entrepeneur who let income tax stand between them and an income.

Most of them. The idea is to spin as much as possible into tax free or lower taxed money. That is why we pay accountants and tax liars. A simple one was to take a small paycheque with all source deductions and then pay yourself a high dividend which is taxed at a lower rate.
 

JLM

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At the end of the day, where the money will be coming from is the biggest question on the radar... There is an excellent reason that this issue is 'as old as the nineteenth century'. Let me ask you a hypothetical question: If the BC gvt made the decision to increase provincial income taxes 15%-20% in order to fund 100% of post secondary, build more schools, more professors, etc - would you support that move? What would you speculate the reaction of the general public in BC to be?

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I'm not averse to paying taxes as long as I realize 90 cents value per dollar paid. (the other 10 cents goes for those who need help)
We shouldn't even be thinking more taxes as long as politicians receive the criminal pensions and travel expenses they do. When we get rid of the garbage then we can start thinking about what we wish to fund.
 

captain morgan

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I'm not averse to paying taxes as long as I realize 90 cents value per dollar paid. (the other 10 cents goes for those who need help)
We shouldn't even be thinking more taxes as long as politicians receive the criminal pensions and travel expenses they do. When we get rid of the garbage then we can start thinking about what we wish to fund.

I would not be able to tell you the 'value' opportunity, but I am a believer that gvt is not an effective administrator of money. I would be amazed if only $0.10 per dollar was used for admin.

The MP/MLA pensions is a real big thorn in my side... These yahoos don't pay tax as is (I think), but they get a gold-plated pension, the likes that no one else in Canada could ever dream of in their wildest fantasy... To make it worse, they get to vote on their pension arrangements and raises regardless of what the public thinks.

It all just adds a lot of insult to injury

Thanks I have that on paper somewhere and was just about to go looking for it..

It's a very descriptive example.
 

JLM

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I'm getting the impression when people are too f**King stupid to make a sensible contribution of their own the next best thing they are capable of (with an I.Q. of 4) is to hand out "reds". (which by the way says much more about the donor than the donee) :lol:
 

gopher

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Victimization thanks to Romney:


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Innocents die whether through deregulation or through lack of health care and Republicans celebrate. No surprise. Vote Republican. Vote more deaths.
 

Tonington

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By virtue of moving your HQ from California (for example) to AB, your bottom-line is increased by 12.7% - that's $127 million dollars each year for simply moving your HQ a 4 hour plane ride North... Now take this example and extrapolate it to a move from California to China... According to wiki, China's corp tax rate is 25% and the cost of doing business is lower (labor, living, materials, etc)... The money that you don't pay in taxes will easily offset the transport costs and ancillary expenses.

In the scenario you paint, the corporate income tax in China is actually lower. If you moved your headquarters to China but the income the corporation generates is not connected to that office, ie your sales are still in North America, then the corporate tax rate is actually only 20%. Move some factories there and then you will pay 25%.

But in reality you don't need to move headquarters around to get favourable tax treatment. The corporation I work for is headquartered in Switzerland, Pfizer is one of our main competitors and they are headquartered in the US. They use various means of avoiding tax though, and don't even come close to paying the full 35%.
 

PoliticalNick

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Captain Morgan do you realize if you actually used a marks based system, that is if you
averaged a B or C+ or whatever the bench mark would be. Government could in fact
pay post secondary education tuition as long as the student maintained the grade
average. If they student did not they paid the next year themselves.
When the student finished there could be a program where they work for government
or a private enterprise mentor company for a period of time as say 70% of their wage.
The amount of repayment would be in accordance with the amount spent to educate
the graduate. That way society would receive some benefit and we would have young
people ready for the workforce without a mountain of debt
Oh and if you drop out your get a bill for all that was invested in you payable to the
government of Canada.
Now this is an idea probably needs some amendments to be sure but in some fashion
it can be done. We have to find new way to solve some serious problems and whining
about who is going to pay is as old as the nineteenth century.
There is already a program similar to this in Australia & New Zealand. 2 of my cousins went to medical school in Dunedin, NZ and upon graduation they were given the opportunity to serve the govt for 2 years or pay their student loans. Both chose to serve, spent lots of time in the outback caring for aborigines and in remote mining settlements etc. It is a great program for all.

While I see the merit in the program you suggest, I believe it's fair to say that the students would simply be trading 'who' they would owe the obligation to rather than really solve the issue of student indebtedness.

At the end of the day, where the money will be coming from is the biggest question on the radar... There is an excellent reason that this issue is 'as old as the nineteenth century'. Let me ask you a hypothetical question: If the BC gvt made the decision to increase provincial income taxes 15%-20% in order to fund 100% of post secondary, build more schools, more professors, etc - would you support that move? What would you speculate the reaction of the general public in BC to be?

Flipping the coin on this, what would the students think knowing that the tax bill they face in coming years would be greatly increased?

Sad to say, but our society revolves around money, or more accurately, the provision of something of value in exchange for something else of value. It doesn't matter if the 'something' is hard currency or sweat equity, that trade-off will exist in one form or another.
At the end of the day the money is there but being wasted on stupid, pork-barrel sh*t and 'fact-finding' junkets and caucus meetings at Langara lodge etc. If we could hold these stupid bast*rds accountable for unwise and unethical use of our taxes the money might wind up where it should funding something useful like education.


Yeah, I've seen this one before. It was bogus then and it's bogus now. It exaggerates the amount paid by the top 3 and doesn't count any sales or value added taxes paid by the poor. It doesn't count for any offshore investments or capital losses or the myriad of other deductions available to the wealthiest.

At best it is an oversimplification that doesn't consider all factors, at worst it is a complete fabrication intended to mislead.
 

captain morgan

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In the scenario you paint, the corporate income tax in China is actually lower. If you moved your headquarters to China but the income the corporation generates is not connected to that office, ie your sales are still in North America, then the corporate tax rate is actually only 20%. Move some factories there and then you will pay 25%.

But in reality you don't need to move headquarters around to get favourable tax treatment. The corporation I work for is headquartered in Switzerland, Pfizer is one of our main competitors and they are headquartered in the US. They use various means of avoiding tax though, and don't even come close to paying the full 35%.

Fair enough... One of the trends in the USA right now (and probably Canada) is that Domestic companies with international operations are setting up a subsidiary in the (offshore) nation of operations. In those cases where the corp tax rates are lower, the subsidiary is not flowing the revenues back to the parent in an effort to pay the lower tax rate in the nation of origin (of the revenues). Those monies are likely deployed in that general jurisdiction and retained as profit there.

The parent company basically 'owns' that money, but by virtue of not transferring it to HQ, they are sheltered from the higher US (or CDN) tax rates.

As far as capital losses are concerned - it is still a loss on the after tax capital required to get into the investment or start the company, etc.. being able to take advantage of a capital loss doesn't turn a net loss into a net profit.. It's still a loss.

At the end of the day the money is there but being wasted on stupid, pork-barrel sh*t and 'fact-finding' junkets and caucus meetings at Langara lodge etc. If we could hold these stupid bast*rds accountable for unwise and unethical use of our taxes the money might wind up where it should funding something useful like education.

I couldn't agree more

Yeah, I've seen this one before. It was bogus then and it's bogus now. It exaggerates the amount paid by the top 3 and doesn't count any sales or value added taxes paid by the poor. It doesn't count for any offshore investments or capital losses or the myriad of other deductions available to the wealthiest.

Sales taxes and VAT aren't taxes exclusive to the poor, but the graduated, progressive taxes do become exclusive as you climb the income ladder.

As far as offshore investments are concerned, that's a complex area, but suffice to say, the original capital that may comprise the offshore account are, again, after-tax dollars. Further, those offshore monies must remain offshore - you repatriate those funds and you stand a strong probability of having them taxed (personal taxes that is).

Bear in mind that there are numerous nations that Canada has a tax treaty with, so it's not quite as easy as setting up a corp mailing address in the Caymans, filing your taxes there and later transferring the money to yourself in Canada without having a tax bill on it.

At best it is an oversimplification that doesn't consider all factors, at worst it is a complete fabrication intended to mislead.

In it's most base form, the example is accurate.. Replace 'beer' with medicare and it's bang-on.
 

Kreskin

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When it comes down to it US Political discussion is hateful, corruption and vote tampering is truly sad for such a country.
I use to admire US politicians because they weren't like mad parliamentarians. Now it's worse than parliamentary partisanship.
 

BaalsTears

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Everyone needs help. Single women are no exception. They are single because no one wants to form a family with them, or they don't want to form a family with someone else. Thus, there is no partner...but the need for a partner continues to exist. That's where the govt. comes in. It acts as the partner for many single women such as unwed mothers.
 

karrie

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What you are about to read is based in sexist generalizations. I know exceptions exist. But it still applies to the majority...

Women tend to be more liberal than men, period. Married, single, gay, straight, it doesn't matter. Genetically, we are wired to take care of people, and thus we tend to support policies that do the same.
 

TenPenny

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What you are about to read is based in sexist generalizations. I know exceptions exist. But it still applies to the majority...

Women tend to be more liberal than men, period. Married, single, gay, straight, it doesn't matter. Genetically, we are wired to take care of people, and thus we tend to support policies that do the same.

And some men like to fuk other people in the azz, which is why they are Republicans.
 

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There's nothing attractive about Romney once he opens his mouth....................


As we move closer and closer to Election Day, American women are about to teach radical Republicans what can happen when you take an entire demographic for no more than easily-manipulated fools.


Read more: American women will carry the day  - NY Daily News