Aboriginal status leads to refusal of extradition

karrie

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This ruling gives preferential treatment to First Nation criminals. I agree with judges taking into account the circumstances of First Nation criminals as well as any criminal that they sentence. That's why they are called Judges... and I support Judges being able to use judgement...
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As has been pointed out.... Gladue is a principle to remind judges to consider race issues when sentencing, but it doesn't mean they have to sentence differently. Petros posted an article not long ago about first nations grandparents in Regina who were told 'tough luck' when they attempted to invoke their background at their trial for abusing their granddaughter. The Gladue principle does not stop judges from giving appropriate sentences, it does not stop judges from being the deciding factor.
 

petros

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Personally, I'd stay the hell away from a sentencning circle if convicted of a crime. They look at intent and circumstances first and foremeost. If I crossed the line my intent of doing harm would be full blown. They sentence by what their gut tells them not black and white like what a judge has to go by.
 

PoliticalNick

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Whatever happened to the basic principles like Justice is Blind, and 'everyone is equal under the law'.

Ever loook at a statue of lady justice (the chick holding scales) she is blindfolded. This is so she cannot look at you and allow your age or race or gender to influence any decisions.
 

karrie

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Whatever happened to the basic principles like Justice is Blind, and 'everyone is equal under the law'.

Ever loook at a statue of lady justice (the chick holding scales) she is blindfolded. This is so she cannot look at you and allow your age or race or gender to influence any decisions.

What happened is it became clear that judges aren't blind. They were less likely to give natives sentencing deals than they were people of their own skin colour.
 

earth_as_one

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Cultural sensitivity training as well as peer review of their decisions would have been better ways to deal with that issue.
 

PoliticalNick

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What happened is it became clear that judges aren't blind. They were less likely to give natives sentencing deals than they were people of their own skin colour.

That is an issue with the judges, not the law. The issue should have been addressed at the source of the problem. Fire a few judges and the rest will smarten up.
 

karrie

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Firing a few judges for being too hard on natives, setting up native sentencing review panels.... yeah, that's not special racial treatment. seriously, people are splitting hairs here.
 

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Look people, Justice has to be in the publics interest...

Look it up. I'm not here to educate the weak minded.

Gladue, is all about meeting the publics interests.

This comes from the theory behind sentencing, found in Section 218 of the CCoC.

If you can't wrap your heads around that, no one can help you.

So just where do you stand on someone involved in smuggling 46,000 ecstasy pills?
It's a crime.

Gladue still ok for you there or would you maybe think a little jail time is in order.
Gladue is still OK with me. I've seen it work way to well to think any differently.

Oh, did I mention I work with at risk Native youth, the bulk of which are in the court system, in one way or another, and Gladue is most definitely involved?

Remember now if it was a bad batch that could be a lot of dead bodies.
I don't deal in maybe's.

To be more precise, I hate laws that are unequal.
Then start bitching about parental rights laws, youth justice laws, house arrest sentencing and so on.

Those who say, "You're a hater." I find so lame, so weak.
I actually agree, if it were the first thing thrown out at you.

But it wasn't.

I tried in vain to reason with you, showed you countless factual documents, you ignored each and every one of them.

You're a hater. Only haters ignore reality, for their own perverse version.

Can't participate?
No, you can't. You hate to much.

Not only don't I hate anyone based on race or religion, I find the concept difficult to understand.
But you do it so well.

How can anyone hate someone based on race or religion?
You tell us, you hate Jews.

I would say there is only one First Nation person that I don't like ...
I appreciate that.

...but it has nothing to to with them being First Nation people and everything to do with them being a rude and nasty asshole who slanders others with false accusations and deliberate lies in an attempt to pin defamatory labels on them... Is that too subtle???
Nope, but it is an excellent example of an internet bully, lol.

Regarding healing circles...
Healing Circles are not the only part of a Gladue process. This is the second time you've been told that.

But if you accept that healing circles can hand out punishment, then you should also accept that Muslims can also get punishment based on Sharia law.
Only if you're retarded.

This ruling gives preferential treatment to First Nation criminals.
No it doesn't, lol.

I agree with judges taking into account the circumstances of First Nation criminals as well as any criminal that they sentence. That's why they are called Judges... and I support Judges being able to use judgement...
That is exactly what happens in the Justice system, everyones past is considered.
I disagree with race/religious based parallel justice systems.
That's good, because this isn't a parallel justice system. You should read more, since you have no idea what you're talking about, lol.

The law (including appropriate sentences from crimes) should apply to everyone equally.
It does.

As has been pointed out.... Gladue is a principle to remind judges to consider race issues when sentencing, but it doesn't mean they have to sentence differently. Petros posted an article not long ago about first nations grandparents in Regina who were told 'tough luck' when they attempted to invoke their background at their trial for abusing their granddaughter. The Gladue principle does not stop judges from giving appropriate sentences, it does not stop judges from being the deciding factor.
It also won't stop the misinformed from making things up as they go along.

Firing a few judges for being too hard on natives, setting up native sentencing review panels.... yeah, that's not special racial treatment. seriously, people are splitting hairs here.
Some people can't see the forests for the trees, lol.
 
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PoliticalNick

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I know it is almost impossible to fire a judge under the current system. I don't think that is how it should be. I'm not saying let them go for a single complaint or even a couple over the years. People who are found guilty are usually unhappy. But if he/she ceives multiple complaints of racial bias of ***ual bias etc that can prove a pattern then their a$$ should be in the big chair.