GOP Convention

[TeddyBallgame]

- Goober ... Do you ever actually have anything relevant and specific and accurate and interesting to say? If so, would you kindly favour me with such a resonse at least once in a long, long whille?

- As to me writing shorter posts, the problem is something you would not understand from your own experience which is that I happen to have a detailed knowledge of the things about which I post and so I do tend to go into some detail rather than simply indulging in a drive by smear. However, I shall in future try to keep my posts more concise and use smaller words, keeping in mind your ten seconds or less attention span.

 

[Goober]

- Goober ... Do you ever actually have anything relevant and specific and accurate and interesting to say? If so, would you kindly favour me with such a resonse at least once in a long, long whille?

- As to me writing shorter posts, the problem is something you would not understand from your own experience which is that I happen to have a detailed knowledge of the things about which I post and so I do tend to go into some detail rather than simply indulging in a drive by smear. However, I shall in future try to keep my posts more concise and use smaller words, keeping in mind your ten seconds or less attention span.

I was suggesting some talking points- you are a die hard Romney fan-an ideologue - I am fine with that- I along with others enjoy dissecting a policy - or policies. That is in my opinion quite reasonable.

A number of topics to discuss.
Medicare-
Defence spending
Social spending
Foreign Policy
Tax cuts- tax increases

Not the BS that both parties put out - but a real discussion. Quite reasonable I would say. But that is just my opinion.

 

[damngrumpy]

Why is it that the Republicans resort to the lowest common denominator?
Eastwood could have done something unique instead he over stayed his
welcome and then became crude and rather silly to the point he was no
longer relevant.
Yes the democrats do the same thing sometimes but they do it with some
class and people don't get the same impression.
The presentation by Clint hurt them far more than helping

 

[gopher]

Clint Eastwood talks about "empty seat"????

More like an empty head:

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

 

[JLM]

That was great too bad he wasn't as good in his movies! :smile:

 

[Bar Sinister]

The Republican Convention - A nightmarish visit to platitudeland. I haven't seen that much corn since the last time I drove through Iowa.

 

[Mowich]

Mowich, great article. If the Republicans been any more divisive and obstructionist with the Obama administration they would be the Taliban.

Too right, Kreskin.

I was suggesting some talking points- you are a die hard Romney fan-an ideologue - I am fine with that- I along with others enjoy dissecting a policy - or policies. That is in my opinion quite reasonable.

A number of topics to discuss.
Medicare-
Defence spending
Social spending
Foreign Policy
Tax cuts- tax increases

Not the BS that both parties put out - but a real discussion. Quite reasonable I would say. But that is just my opinion.

I'm onside with you, Goober. I would like to know where the Republicans stand on the environment.

Why is it that the Republicans resort to the lowest common denominator?
Eastwood could have done something unique instead he over stayed his
welcome and then became crude and rather silly to the point he was no
longer relevant.
Yes the democrats do the same thing sometimes but they do it with some
class and people don't get the same impression.
The presentation by Clint hurt them far more than helping

It was only 12 minutes of a convention that had been scripted and shaped like a Hollywood movie, twelve minutes that Romney's handlers left up to Eastwood to fill, but those 12 minutes came back to bite them. LOL!

 

[tay]

Ohhhhhh yes...............

So what did they talk about? The line that astonished me most from Mitt's speech was this one, where he talked about the changes Americans "deserved" and should have gotten during Obama's presidency:

Mitt Romney was the guy that fired you from that $22.50 an hour job, and helped you replace it with two $9 an hour jobs! He was a pioneer in the area of eliminating the well-paying job with benefits and replacing it with the McJob that offered no benefits at all. One of the things that killed him in the Senate race against Ted Kennedy were Kennedy ads that reminded voters that Mitt's takeovers resulted in slashed wages and lost benefits. He was exactly the guy that eliminated that classic $22.50 manufacturing job, like in the case of GST Steel, where Bain took over with an initial investment of $8 million, paid itself a $36 million dividend, ended up walking away with $50 million, and left GST saddled with over $500 million in debt. 750 of those well-paying jobs were lost.

What kinds of jobs were left for those fired workers to look for? Well, in the best-case scenario, you might have found one at Ampad, another Bain takeover target, where workers had their pay slashed from $10.22 to $7.88 an hour, tripled co-pays, and eliminated the retirement plan.

So a guy who eliminated hundreds of $22 an hour jobs and slashed hundreds more jobs to below $9 an hour blasts Barack Obama for not giving you the better life you deserved, after you lost your $22/hour job and had to take two $9/hour jobs. Are we all high or something? Did that really just happen?


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[Walter]

All good businessmen get rid of the deadwood and there's lots of deadwood in the guvmint bureaucracy.

 

[JLM]

All good businessmen get rid of the deadwood and there's lots of deadwood in the guvmint bureaucracy.

Yer banging on all cylinders this morning, Walter! :lol:

 

[Kreskin]

All good businessmen get rid of the deadwood and there's lots of deadwood in the guvmint bureaucracy.

Yes, starting with faith-based programs.

 

[Niflmir]

All good businessmen get rid of the deadwood and there's lots of deadwood in the guvmint bureaucracy.

Administrative costs for Canadian government run health care are 1/4th that of privately run American health care and there certainly isn't a factor of 4 in quality! Even a self-sustaining government run corporation can always (but not always will) out-compete a private business since it need not worry about margins so long as they are non-negative.

U.S. doctors' administrative costs 4 times higher than in Canada | Physicians for a National Health Program

In this case, there is a lot less deadwood in the government bureaucracy in Canada than the private bureaucracies of the American Insurance companies.

 

[tay]

We get all of the these right wing baby mill and billonaires complaining about the 99% while they buy their way to the top with inherited money and yet, some of the 99% look to them for guidance.

I had this guy come up to a few of us standing in a group at a Unoin meeting and he was eagerly trying to sell or get us to enroll in whatever it was he had planned.

He excitedly asks "Do you know who Donald Trump is"?

We politely say "well yes, of course we do".

He then excitedly asks if we know his secret to getting rich?

I said yes I do, at which he pauses and wait's for me to answer.

I proceed to tell him that "He was born a multi millionaire and almost blew it all when his fathers accountant guy came out of retirement and helped him get out of the mess he had created before he squandered his families life savings on his moronic ideas and saved his financial life".

The guy looked at me quizzically and I said "look it up".

It's the same with all of these people. The Bushies, Mittens, the Koch brothers and the list is endless. All got a head start by being the lucky sperms that were born financially independent yet not only look down on the 99% who weren't but want to make our lives miserable..............


World's richest woman says poor should have less fun, work harder - latimes.com

 

[Walter]

Administrative costs for Canadian government run health care are 1/4th that of privately run American health care and there certainly isn't a factor of 4 in quality! Even a self-sustaining government run corporation can always (but not always will) out-compete a private business since it need not worry about margins so long as they are non-negative.

U.S. doctors' administrative costs 4 times higher than in Canada | Physicians for a National Health Program

In this case, there is a lot less deadwood in the government bureaucracy in Canada than the private bureaucracies of the American Insurance companies.

Yer numbers are full of it. Talk about an unbiased source, Doctors for a National Health Program indeed.

Yes, starting with faith-based programs.

Which ones are those?

 

[Tonington]

Yer numbers are full of it. Talk about an unbiased source, Doctors for a National Health Program indeed.

So, post numbers you think are unbiased. Should we ignore estimates of costs on say development of oil and gas from oil and gas companies? That's a pretty dubious framework if you believe that should be the case.

In 1999, the numbers weren't that far off:

In 1999, health administration costs totaled at least $294.3 billion in the United States, or $1,059 per capita, as compared with $307 per capita in Canada.
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Considering the gap has been growing, contemporary findings that the ratio is now 4:1 aren't implausible at all.

So post the numbers you think are better.

 

[spero]

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[L Gilbert]

I'm wondering why people here are thinking Eastwood's little spiel was serious and not a comedy routine.

Anyway, I don't care what pols say at conventions, during elections, etc, Lies and liars are rampant and profuse.

 

[Goober]

Good article in the NP today
Also many companies such as Apple are waiting to return overseas profits- waiting for a lowered corp tax rate as happened earlier in the decade- So another minimum of 1/2 a trillion dollars


The Romney boom

 

[Mowich]

Good article in the NP today
Also many companies such as Apple are waiting to return overseas profits- waiting for a lowered corp tax rate as happened earlier in the decade- So another minimum of 1/2 a trillion dollars


The Romney boom

"Coal, oil and natural gas developments have all been stymied by Obama, who has starved them of permissions and bound them in red tape. To make good his pledge of energy self-sufficiency in North America, Romney would unleash the Keystone pipeline, permit offshore developments on all U.S. coasts, open up and lease federal lands in the interior, encourage coal and fracking of gas, and depoliticize carbon by removing this nonpolluting gas from the Clean Air Act's purview."

I wonder what Appalachia will look like after 4 years under a Romney administration? I doubt there will be single mountain left in the region and every valley will be a toxic waste dump.

 

[Walter]

"Coal, oil and natural gas developments have all been stymied by Obama, who has starved them of permissions and bound them in red tape. To make good his pledge of energy self-sufficiency in North America, Romney would unleash the Keystone pipeline, permit offshore developments on all U.S. coasts, open up and lease federal lands in the interior, encourage coal and fracking of gas, and depoliticize carbon by removing this nonpolluting gas from the Clean Air Act's purview."

I wonder what Appalachia will look like after 4 years under a Romney administration? I doubt there will be single mountain left in the region and every valley will be a toxic waste dump.

Do you live in Appalachia?